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> <channel><title>Comments on: Why I Was Somewhat Disappointed With The July 2008 New England Journal Weight Loss Study</title> <atom:link href="http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/why-i-was-somewhat-disappointed-with-the-july-2008-new-england-journal-weight-loss-study/2448%20/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/why-i-was-somewhat-disappointed-with-the-july-2008-new-england-journal-weight-loss-study/2448</link> <description>To educate, encourage, and inspire the world to start low-carb living</description> <lastBuildDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 21:13:00 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=</generator> <item><title>By: Perenna</title><link>http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/why-i-was-somewhat-disappointed-with-the-july-2008-new-england-journal-weight-loss-study/2448#comment-15766</link> <dc:creator>Perenna</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 04:45:35 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://livinlavidalowcarb.wordpress.com/2008/07/28/why-i-was-somewhat-disappointed-with-the-july-2008-new-england-journal-weight-loss-study/#comment-15766</guid> <description>You wrote in this blog posting: &quot;Incidentally, Taubes says the National Institutes of Health (NIH) has spent $5 million for a large (300+ subjects, two-year-long) Atkins vs. AHA low-fat diet trial–the REAL THING! This is a larger and longer version of a pilot trial that observed results similar to the Israeli trial. This is the largest diet/weight loss trial the NIH has ever funded. The principal investigator is Gary Foster of Temple University, currently the president of the Obesity Society. In February 2007, Dr. Foster told Taubes the researchers had “completed the final 2 year assessments on most but not all” of their subjects. Currently the paper is “in the peer review process” and that’s all we know at this point. Cross your fingers that this is the great elusive study that actually looks at low-carb vs. low-fat once and for all.&quot;
Heard anything new about this study?
&lt;i&gt;I&#039;ve contacted Dr. Foster directly for a response.
--Jimmy&lt;/i&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You wrote in this blog posting: &#8220;Incidentally, Taubes says the National Institutes of Health (NIH) has spent $5 million for a large (300+ subjects, two-year-long) Atkins vs. AHA low-fat diet trial–the REAL THING! This is a larger and longer version of a pilot trial that observed results similar to the Israeli trial. This is the largest diet/weight loss trial the NIH has ever funded. The principal investigator is Gary Foster of Temple University, currently the president of the Obesity Society. In February 2007, Dr. Foster told Taubes the researchers had “completed the final 2 year assessments on most but not all” of their subjects. Currently the paper is “in the peer review process” and that’s all we know at this point. Cross your fingers that this is the great elusive study that actually looks at low-carb vs. low-fat once and for all.&#8221;</p><p>Heard anything new about this study?</p><p><i>I&#8217;ve contacted Dr. Foster directly for a response.</p><p>&#8211;Jimmy</i></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/why-i-was-somewhat-disappointed-with-the-july-2008-new-england-journal-weight-loss-study/2448#comment-9495</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:16:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://livinlavidalowcarb.wordpress.com/2008/07/28/why-i-was-somewhat-disappointed-with-the-july-2008-new-england-journal-weight-loss-study/#comment-9495</guid> <description>I don&#039;t know about the rest of the country, but in my area, the media coverage about this study has already motivated retailers to put low-carb products &quot;out front&quot; again.  The last time low-carb got favorable media coverage, the shelves were full; but then slowly, as the powerhouses of the medical/health industry rebutted that low-carb is &quot;indeed bad&quot; for you and is a &quot;fad&quot; diet, the products became increasingly difficult to find. Two weeks ago, I noticed that a local pharmacy that once sold three brands of low-carb shakes was selling only one brand and had only one slot on the shelf allocated.  Yesterday, I noticed they had six shelf spaces allocated and are back to carrying three brands again.  And I&#039;m now seeing &quot;diet&quot; beverages that have long been sugar-free suddenly being labeled &quot;low-carb&quot;.  It&#039;s a cycle.  There will be some study soon, I imagine, that will show low-carb to be inferior to low-fat and the whole cycle will start over again.  For me, this latest study reiterates what I&#039;ve always known:  low-carb works for me, the proof is in the mirror.  Lee in Nashville</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know about the rest of the country, but in my area, the media coverage about this study has already motivated retailers to put low-carb products &#8220;out front&#8221; again.  The last time low-carb got favorable media coverage, the shelves were full; but then slowly, as the powerhouses of the medical/health industry rebutted that low-carb is &#8220;indeed bad&#8221; for you and is a &#8220;fad&#8221; diet, the products became increasingly difficult to find. Two weeks ago, I noticed that a local pharmacy that once sold three brands of low-carb shakes was selling only one brand and had only one slot on the shelf allocated.  Yesterday, I noticed they had six shelf spaces allocated and are back to carrying three brands again.  And I&#8217;m now seeing &#8220;diet&#8221; beverages that have long been sugar-free suddenly being labeled &#8220;low-carb&#8221;.  It&#8217;s a cycle.  There will be some study soon, I imagine, that will show low-carb to be inferior to low-fat and the whole cycle will start over again.  For me, this latest study reiterates what I&#8217;ve always known:  low-carb works for me, the proof is in the mirror.  Lee in Nashville</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/why-i-was-somewhat-disappointed-with-the-july-2008-new-england-journal-weight-loss-study/2448#comment-9494</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:48:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://livinlavidalowcarb.wordpress.com/2008/07/28/why-i-was-somewhat-disappointed-with-the-july-2008-new-england-journal-weight-loss-study/#comment-9494</guid> <description>I was shocked at the small amount of weight lost by the low-carb group - a validation of the impact of the high threshold of carbs allowed of course.  We all know that if they had kept that level closer to Atkins phase one or two the weight loss would have been amazing.  The good things that come from this are, to me, the press attention and the discussion among people.  In addition, I am hoping that a secondary gain will be seen in the marketplace with new low carb choices proudly displayed once again in our grocery stores and eating establishments.  Thanks Jimmy for carrying on this work.   Katie Seltz</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was shocked at the small amount of weight lost by the low-carb group &#8211; a validation of the impact of the high threshold of carbs allowed of course.  We all know that if they had kept that level closer to Atkins phase one or two the weight loss would have been amazing.  The good things that come from this are, to me, the press attention and the discussion among people.  In addition, I am hoping that a secondary gain will be seen in the marketplace with new low carb choices proudly displayed once again in our grocery stores and eating establishments.  Thanks Jimmy for carrying on this work.   Katie Seltz</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Tom Bunnell (TB)--TB</title><link>http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/why-i-was-somewhat-disappointed-with-the-july-2008-new-england-journal-weight-loss-study/2448#comment-9493</link> <dc:creator>Tom Bunnell (TB)--TB</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 02:06:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://livinlavidalowcarb.wordpress.com/2008/07/28/why-i-was-somewhat-disappointed-with-the-july-2008-new-england-journal-weight-loss-study/#comment-9493</guid> <description>It seems to me that these studies could include a smaller group of participants, say 10% of each of the large study groups, split into three more additional groups of 3.3% as tester groups within each whole group? -- So if there were a thousand participants in each of the three groups, similar to this study, there would be a total of three thousand individual studies.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Of these ,one hundred or 10% of each of these three groups would then be split into 33 participants in three additional groups making one large group of 900 case studies and 33 and 33 and 33 additional case studies for each of the three groups.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;For instance, now the low carb group, could do 33 of what we call zero carb diets. Then 33 at 50 carbs and 33 additionally at the 120 carbs per day level, lets say.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The other two groupings would do the same in perspective to each ones guidelines.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This way we would have limited results from each of the three groups smaller &#039;tester&#039; three groups as well as the larger groups while the larger group studies are still not being interrupted.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I believe that some astonishing results would begin to unfold.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I learned this method trapping leeches here in Minnesota.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;An Indian friend of mine and I trapped these leeches for more than 20 years together. -- He is known to be one of the best trappers that there is. He hunts deer like rabbits.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;We would set leech traps all around each of the lakes and ponds just like everybody else did. Hundreds of trappers on thousands of lakes.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The fishermen use the leeches for fishing bait similar to night crawlers or worms.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Jim and I would set test traps, in addition to the main string of traps, out into the center of the lake and at various depths as well as the immediate shoreline. -- Most traps and trappers set there lines of traps about ten to fifteen feet from the shoreline in a big circle and that&#039;s it. This was the norm and had expected results which was usually fair to good to extremely good depending on the time of the year and the weather conditions and the bottom and etc etc.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If there catches were down then that was that.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Jim and I on the other hand would find the leeches if they were there and move our traps accordingly. -- Sometimes all the way to the immediate shore right where it touches land and sometimes in the far deep. We would continue to catch them.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Had we not run the test traps out of the norm we would not have known they were there and would have done like everybody else and gotten the same results.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;m not so naive as to think that these study specialists and there designers and implementers aren&#039;t aware of this method and that it is not a routine part of there methodology, I&#039;m just encouraging that there be more of the same.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Had this been implemented in this proving ground study here, I believe that, again, some astonishing results would have been found!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that these studies could include a smaller group of participants, say 10% of each of the large study groups, split into three more additional groups of 3.3% as tester groups within each whole group? &#8212; So if there were a thousand participants in each of the three groups, similar to this study, there would be a total of three thousand individual studies.</p><p>Of these ,one hundred or 10% of each of these three groups would then be split into 33 participants in three additional groups making one large group of 900 case studies and 33 and 33 and 33 additional case studies for each of the three groups.</p><p>For instance, now the low carb group, could do 33 of what we call zero carb diets. Then 33 at 50 carbs and 33 additionally at the 120 carbs per day level, lets say.</p><p>The other two groupings would do the same in perspective to each ones guidelines.</p><p>This way we would have limited results from each of the three groups smaller &#8216;tester&#8217; three groups as well as the larger groups while the larger group studies are still not being interrupted.</p><p>I believe that some astonishing results would begin to unfold.</p><p>I learned this method trapping leeches here in Minnesota.</p><p>An Indian friend of mine and I trapped these leeches for more than 20 years together. &#8212; He is known to be one of the best trappers that there is. He hunts deer like rabbits.</p><p>We would set leech traps all around each of the lakes and ponds just like everybody else did. Hundreds of trappers on thousands of lakes.</p><p>The fishermen use the leeches for fishing bait similar to night crawlers or worms.</p><p>Jim and I would set test traps, in addition to the main string of traps, out into the center of the lake and at various depths as well as the immediate shoreline. &#8212; Most traps and trappers set there lines of traps about ten to fifteen feet from the shoreline in a big circle and that&#8217;s it. This was the norm and had expected results which was usually fair to good to extremely good depending on the time of the year and the weather conditions and the bottom and etc etc.</p><p>If there catches were down then that was that.</p><p>Jim and I on the other hand would find the leeches if they were there and move our traps accordingly. &#8212; Sometimes all the way to the immediate shore right where it touches land and sometimes in the far deep. We would continue to catch them.</p><p>Had we not run the test traps out of the norm we would not have known they were there and would have done like everybody else and gotten the same results.</p><p>I&#8217;m not so naive as to think that these study specialists and there designers and implementers aren&#8217;t aware of this method and that it is not a routine part of there methodology, I&#8217;m just encouraging that there be more of the same.</p><p>Had this been implemented in this proving ground study here, I believe that, again, some astonishing results would have been found!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jimmy Moore</title><link>http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/why-i-was-somewhat-disappointed-with-the-july-2008-new-england-journal-weight-loss-study/2448#comment-9492</link> <dc:creator>Jimmy Moore</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:35:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://livinlavidalowcarb.wordpress.com/2008/07/28/why-i-was-somewhat-disappointed-with-the-july-2008-new-england-journal-weight-loss-study/#comment-9492</guid> <description>That&#039;s so awesome, Ab!  :)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s so awesome, Ab! <img
src='http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ab Normal</title><link>http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/why-i-was-somewhat-disappointed-with-the-july-2008-new-england-journal-weight-loss-study/2448#comment-9491</link> <dc:creator>Ab Normal</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:22:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://livinlavidalowcarb.wordpress.com/2008/07/28/why-i-was-somewhat-disappointed-with-the-july-2008-new-england-journal-weight-loss-study/#comment-9491</guid> <description>I was delighted with the headlines, but like you...not ecstatic about the details....&lt;br/&gt;on a bright note....my mother now thinks low carb is the answer...she has lost weight using it before, but was always concerned if you stayed with it a long time....well since my 15 months of LLVLC and this article, she has started LLVLC again herself!&lt;br/&gt;...and she is now 79 years old...</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was delighted with the headlines, but like you&#8230;not ecstatic about the details&#8230;.<br
/>on a bright note&#8230;.my mother now thinks low carb is the answer&#8230;she has lost weight using it before, but was always concerned if you stayed with it a long time&#8230;.well since my 15 months of LLVLC and this article, she has started LLVLC again herself!<br
/>&#8230;and she is now 79 years old&#8230;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
