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UK-Based Diabetes Forum Bans Canadian Low-Carb Doc For ‘Troll-Like Behavior’

One of the world’s foremost authorities on the subject of low-carbohydrate diets for controlling diabetes is none other than my friend and low-carb researcher Dr. Jay Wortman. I first became exposed to the great work of this amazing physician from Canada (who became passionate about low-carb diets after his own personal diagnosis of Type 2 diabetes at the age of 52) when his entertainingly funny and informative documentary film My Big Fat Diet released in 2008 about an entire First Nation village returning to the native diet of their ancestors. It was very well-received on CBC-TV that year becoming the most-watched documentary in Canada and I was privileged to feature both Dr. Wortman and the filmmaker Mary Bissell in Episode 137 of my “Livin’ La Vida Low-Carb Show” podcast. In fact, when they showed this film to a group of bariatric physicians in Phoenix, Arizona at the American Society of Bariatric Physicians meeting in 2008, the doctors were extremely impressed by what they saw and gobbled up every copy of the DVD in just a matter of minutes. Additionally, we showed this film on the Low-Carb Cruise in 2009 and the people who watched it ate it up!

Needless to say, Dr. Wortman has built quite the reputation for speaking out in support for low-carb living because he has seen it have a tremendous impact on his own health as well as the many study participants he has put on this very effective nutritional treatment option for diabetes. And you will not find a more genuinely kind and gentle human being in the low-carb community with a wickedly funny sense of humor and love for life than this man. Unfortunately, not everyone in the diabetes world is thrilled with Dr. Jay and his ardent enthusiasm for livin’ la vida low-carb.

As he shared in a series of blog posts in late April 2011 (read them here, here, here, and here), the top diabetes web site in the UK located at Diabetes.co.uk have taken an aggressive stance against anyone espousing carbohydrate-restriction for people dealing with diabetes. They actually banned Dr. Jay for what was described as “troll like behaviour” by sharing the truth about low-carb diets for diabetics on a specific forum thread devoted to this specific subject. As a practicing physician treating Type 2 diabetics with a high-fat, low-carb diet, he wasn’t just sharing his opinions about low-carb nutrition–he was sincerely attempting to help struggling diabetics who were seeking out quality information about their disease with trustworthy advice backed by the science. Unfortunately, the moderators at this forum were having none of that.

Describing the information he was posting as “dangerous ideas” by encouraging the consumption of saturated fat on a low-carb lifestyle change, Dr. Jay was admonished by the Diabetes UK moderators and summarily “banished from the forum.” His greatest concern is the fact that while the moderators at the forum claim to support low-carb nutrition for diabetics, they are “very fearful of what it means to do a truly low-carb diet” with plenty of dietary fat as is promoted by well-respected diabetes practitioners like Dr. Richard Bernstein, Dr. Mary Vernon, and Dr. Eric Westman.

Getting all philosophical about this ordeal, Dr. Jay wrote the following about this on his blog:

I think this is, above all else, a cautionary tale. There are lots of people out there who will lead you astray when it comes to diet. Everybody is different and there is lots of individual latitude in terms of carbohydrate tolerance but one thing is clear – if you have insulin resistance you have developed a carbohydrate intolerance. You need to restrict carbs to avoid the conditions associated with insulin resistance and the multitude of medications used to treat those conditions. If you go low enough to get below your individual threshold of tolerance, you can avoid the problems and can usually get off all the meds, too. There are big vested interests who benefit from selling those meds. Are they actively trying to subvert the movement to low-carb? I don’t know. But I do know this – they would be crazy not to.

Indeed they would. Dr. Jay shared with me about a diabetic friend of his from the UK named Eddie Mitchell from “The Low Carb Diabetic” who was also banned from the Diabetes UK forum for advocating for a high-fat, low-carb diet for people with Type 2 diabetes. Eddie has been working behind-the-scenes helping as many people with both Type 1 and Type 2 diabetes as he could and was removed from the forum for daring to “spread the low carb word.” Dr. Jay put me in touch with Eddie to discuss the aftermath of this sudden turn of events at one of the world’s largest support web sites for people with diabetes.

Listen to my interview with this 61-year old Type 2 diabetic Eddie Mitchell:


http://youtu.be/GbJ_VUN21WM

So what can YOU do? You could join the Diabetes UK Forum for yourself and share your high-fat, low-carb diabetes success story. If enough people posted their real-life examples of how livin’ la vida low-carb radically changed their lives, then how would the moderators be able to keep up with them all? It’s just a thought. You could also contact them through any number of methods found here. I don’t think it’s right for them to be prohibiting the genuine message of low-carb living for diabetics (the fact that it is a high-fat, moderate protein, low-carb nutritional approach) from reaching the masses. What will YOU do to respond?

5-26-11 UPDATE: Well, within 24 hours of posting this blog post online, the Online Editor for Diabetes.co.uk named Benedict Jephcote started following me on Twitter and sent me a message thanking me for sharing about this issue. As you will see in the full-length e-mail he sent to me today, Benedict was unaware of what was happening on his forum by his moderators and the way they were treating people like Dr. Jay Wortman, Eddie Mitchell and other supporters of high-fat, low-carb diets for controlling diabetes. Here’s what he wrote:

Thank you for the invitation to email you Jimmy. The first I knew about the situation was yesterday. Upon hearing it, I wanted to find out when and how Dr Jay had been banned. After some investigation I saw the posts (dated around 25 April) which Dr Jay had posted along with those of the moderators.

I felt our moderators had acted out of order-–essentially misinterpreting what Dr Jay had said and taking it as a personal attack on their credibility. They responded in, what I felt to be, an overly defensive way.

The main issue stems from the fact that they didn’t agree with what Dr Jay was saying about needing a baseline amount of calories from fat. They have followed a simultaneous low carb and low fat diet for a number of years. However, the way in which they responded was to make allegations in response to Dr Jay which was unacceptable, not allowing him to voice his own opinions. They issued a temporary ban and when they saw Dr Jay’s blog post, banned him permanently.

Sadly, the moderators didn’t notify any of the team at Diabetes.co.uk at the time. I also had previously warned the moderators that we should refrain from calling anyone trolls, which clearly they didn’t take heed of.

I started to low carb after being inspired by and joining the Diabetes.co.uk forum 2 years ago–which had a dedicated low carb forum. I joined in September and follow a low carb diet. I have Type 1 diabetes and find it an excellent way to achieve good control and eat both a healthy and varied diet. Prior to this I was on the classic low fat, high carb diet–which wasn’t doing me any favors.

The general ethos behind diabetes.co.uk is to allow freedom of expression. In all honesty, this freedom was steadily becoming shackled by the moderators and I rather feel I was late to take decisive action with regard to them.

At diabetes.co.uk we have our newsletters which each have an unsubscribe feature and we’re not breaking any rules as to acceptable mailing procedure. We have advertisements on our site similar to the way dLife have. In that respect we’re not too dissimilar. The website does make money, but it does also allow discussion and, as Eddie pointed has been very successfully giving a voice to people for a number of years-–which is something we wish to preserve.

We have let the moderators concerned go and I personally hope that the forum will recover well from this, particularly as it has helped me and many others who live a life with diabetes.

With the best of regards and happy low carbing too,

Benedict Jephcote
Online Editor Diabetes.co.uk

I have invited Benedict to be interviewed in the same way I spoke with Eddie to help clear the air about this issue. If he agrees, then I’ll post that to YouTube and here at my blog for you to hear. THANK YOU to everyone who made your voice heard on this. It seems you all made a HUGE impact on this and you are to be congratulated for a job well done in defending high-fat, low-carb living on such a prominent diabetes web site.

  • http://ingredients-mp.blogspot.com/ pjnoir

    Aggression is the last act of of desperation and fear. I guess someone is locked into pharmaceutical money. Pretty sad. Wortman is one of my gateway heros in controling my diabetes correctly and successfully.

    • http://www.livinlavidalowcarb.com Jimmy Moore

      And he really is a quality human being too. That’s what makes this tragic tale even more disconcerting. Justice will prevail in the end.

  • Rich Trippeer

    We are getting closer and closer every day to a class action lawsuit against the people that are killing diabetics every day. This is not just ignorance. This is malicious.

    • http://www.livinlavidalowcarb.com Jimmy Moore

      Indeed

    • Shelly

      I’m with you on that

  • http://alternefit.wordpress.com Rachel

    It is ridiculous that such things go on…it happens in many areas of the internet when it comes to forums (experience talking here). My husband is diabetic, and I took to trying to get him to understand low-carb so that he could reverse what he could on it…These people obviously do not understand the real science behind low-carb, high-fat, moderate protein diets…they need to brush up on the REAL science AND the history as well…and stop feeding into the ridiculous junk that has gotten us in an epidemic of diabetes and obesity in the first place!

    • http://www.livinlavidalowcarb.com Jimmy Moore

      Agreed Rachel! That’s why I created my forum. Truth deserves a voice.

  • Low Carb Dave

    They are too heavily invested in the mental paradigm. I’ve seen it before, and I see it every day online. Beware, because there are lots of low carb forums being taken over by the low fat/calorie control crowd.

  • Bob Graton

    Glad to see quacks like Dr. Jay are taken off the air. We need less diabetes, not more. UK folks got it!

  • http://alternefit.wordpress.com Rachel

    Oh, and BTW, I just “made a suggestion” to them that they stop acting so unprofessional and understand what science and history prove. I also suggested they think about the message they are sending by doing something like this! I see it as “money-grubbers” and I’m sure others will too.

    • http://www.diabetes.co.uk Benedict

      Hi Rachel, thank you for the email. I have sent you a reply but the message was returned as undeliverable sadly.

      Just to note, moderators of the forum are on a voluntary basis and make no money. They have their own agenda, which in this case partly went against our ethos at Diabetes.co.uk.

      I had mentioned previously that labelling people as trolls is an unacceptable way for moderators to act, and a result of this incident, we have let them go.

      The sad thing for me is that having worked with the moderators for some months, I know they actually have extremely good hearts. They meant for the best but, in my opinion, got it wrong.

      With best wishes
      Benedict Jephcote
      Type 1 for 18 years, low-carber and Editor of Diabetes.co.uk

      • Sonya

        Thanks for replying here, Benedict. Does that mean that Dr. Jay will be reinstated as a member and allowed to continue to share the science behind low carb as a healthy lifestyle for diabetics?

        Kindest,

        Sonya

        • Sonya

          Nevermind. :) I should have read more before posting.

          Thank you.

  • veggienft

    I’ve been thrown out of better places than that dive. I was a member there while I was learning internet security. I banned myself after they started deleting my low carb posts. While posting there I started getting telephone solicitations for diabetic supplies. They don’t care if your credentials place you at the pinnacle of diabetic research. If your ideas harm their snake oil sales you are not welcome.

  • http://www.jcrm.org Michael Fox

    We see similar responses in our area. “The Galileo effect.” keep up the good work!!

  • http://www.paleodietnews.com Lila

    Fear and controversy means that those who advocate low carb/high fat/paleo type diets are getting near to the mark on curing diabetes. Those who purport to want to find a “cure”, will be out of business once the truth comes out. And it will. The scam of organizations and charities that aim to “find a cure” will be ultimately be exposed. I know hoe pissed off I was when I learned that I had been mislead for years about what constitutes a healthy diet. The more people know about alternatives to high carb/food pyramid diets the better!

  • Dan (aka Renegadediabetic)

    So much for free speech. If you can’t refute the message, silence it. Some folks on the Dr. Bernstein forum have said they’ve been banned from other diabetes forums for espousing low carb.

  • Dan (aka Renegadediabetic)

    And this, after I read that Diabetes UK seems to be warming up to low carb, as the ADA has done.

    http://www.diabetes.org.uk/About_us/Our_Views/Position_statements/Low-carbohydrate-diets-for-people-with-Type-2-diabetes/

    Oh well. Just when you thought it was safe to go in the water…..

  • GrannyMumantoog

    Hi Jimmy,
    It’s a shame that these organizations that are supposed to be helping people have all gotten into bed with the mega-death pharmaceutical companies and some food conglomerates too. (Don’t we just love the healthy labels on cereal boxes!!) When the law suites start coming, heads will roll and ivory towers will plummet.

    I have good friends who are in such poor health because of the big fat lies they believe. Of course the fact that they don’t do their own due diligence means that they have to accept some of the blame for their conditions, but it’s very hard to go against what you’ve been taught for 30-40 years. When you have your health orgs & your doctors spouting the gospel according to USDA what ya gonna do?

    I think the more people who go to these forums and try to get the truth posted the quicker change will come. Just think how many more people would be dead if we hadn’t been able to do research on the internet. This has enabled people like you & all the other fabulous low carb advocates with blogs, books and forums to spread the word.

    I wanted to buy Dr Wortman’s DVD but it’s priced way out of my range. I’ll never spend $34 on a DVD even if someone convinces me that it’s a recording of God himself. Someone should advise him that if he wants to really spread the word, he needs to put it on Amazon & Netflix and make it affordable to average & low income folks like me! Just my 2cents! Sue

    • http://www.livinlavidalowcarb.com Jimmy Moore

      Thanks Sue!

      • GrannyMumantoog

        I did send an email to the company selling the DVD with my suggestions. It may come to nothing but maybe it will give them something to think about. You never know unless you try, right!

        • http://www.livinlavidalowcarb.com Jimmy Moore

          I just forwarded your comments to Dr. Jay today.

  • http://www.diabetes.org.uk Joe Freeman

    Just wanted to clarify to avoid confusion, the forum in question is the one run by “Diabetes.co.uk” which is a separate entity from “Diabetes UK”, which is a UK based charity.

    We do have a separate forum that we support which can be found here:

    http://www.diabetessupport.co.uk

    Many thanks

    Joe Freeman
    Digital Communities Manager
    DIabetes UK

    • http://www.livinlavidalowcarb.com Jimmy Moore

      Thanks for clarifying.

  • http://www.diabetes.co.uk Benedict

    Hi Jimmy

    I’m the Editor of Diabetes.co.uk and therefore responsible for what has happened here. I have apologised to Dr Wortman who has kindly acknowledged the apology. I dare say he is still upset by what has happened and I think he would have every right to be.

    I am a low carbing type 1 diabetic myself and wish to say that I do not support the views of the moderators. Our moderators restrict their carb intake also but hold some strong views, with regard to dietary fat, which clashed with Dr Wortman. the way they responded to the clash was not acceptable.

    Diabetes.co.uk is a separate organisation from the charity Diabetes UK. We exist to promote discussion of diabetes and to give people a voice. What has happened in how Dr Wortman was dealt with very much goes against this ethos and we will prevent this happening in future.

    Please feel free to contact me, Jimmy at benedict at diabetes.co.uk

    With best regards
    Benedict Jephcote

    • http://www.livinlavidalowcarb.com Jimmy Moore

      Benedict, I’m happy to give you a voice to explain what happened. Email me at livinlowcarbman@charter.net.

  • Dan (aka Renegadediabetic)

    Looks like I was confused. I really appreciate the clarifications from Joe & Benedict, especially the apology to Dr. Wortman.

  • workoutprof

    To think of a gentlemanly, geniuinely kind, helpful professional like Dr. Wortman being banned would be laughable if weren’t so sad. Kudos to the head of the blog for stepping in.

    • http://www.livinlavidalowcarb.com Jimmy Moore

      I couldn’t agree more, Dr. Pogo.

  • http://www.diabetes.co.uk Benedict

    I should add that I don’t feel our moderators should be vilified here.

    From all my correspondence, they’re decent, caring people. They’ve put huge amounts of time and effort into managing the forum with the best of interests for the public.

    I don’t agree with the way things were handled by them with regard to Dr Wortman and we have had our disagreements over certain things but I think they’re good people and the majority of active forum members will back them up.

    There was an issue here but it’s not as one sided as even I have been painting this.

    Benedict

    • http://www.livinlavidalowcarb.com Jimmy Moore

      Happy to give you a voice Benedict. :)

  • Ailsa

    Hi being in the UK I know from first hand they are very slow in accepting LCHF, but I have to say the diabetic nurses seem to be better, they advised me to cut my carbs. The consultants however are different at recognising, even though I am now diet controlled type ii diabetic on no medication, he asked me how I’d lost weight and got my A1c within normal range I told him I don’t eat Carbs, he said well we need to watch your levels when you stop this diet. I just laughed and thought whatever!

    Ailsa x

  • GrannyMumantoog

    Congrats to Jimmy, Dr Wortman, Eddie & all who voiced concern on this issue. Congrats to Benedict for acknowledging and dealing with the issue in a positive way. I hope that forum will also now allow people like Dr Wortman to post credentials and that they will correct some of the bad info passed on by the previous mods, like calling Dr Bernstein a fake for example!

  • http://lowcarbdiabetic.co.uk Eddie Mitchell

    Hi Jimmy

    Many thanks for your time and exposing the abysmal way that Doctor Jay was treated at d.co.uk. The moderators have been demoted and let’s hope the forum can get back to being the great place it was a couple of years ago. What a pity so many good people went through the same situation as Jay but did not have Jays high profile and you as a friend. I am certain without your and Jays involvement, nothing would have changed. Very well done the pair of you.

    The very best of health to you and yours.

    Eddie Mitchell

    • http://www.livinlavidalowcarb.com Jimmy Moore

      Happy to play even a small role in righting this wrong.

  • Wendy Meyers

    I own a commercial weight loss company and our entire program is founded on the HFLC way of life. We have a substantial number of diabetic clients who come to us in dire health, and who are hugely overweight. We see IMMEDIATE results after putting them on our program; not only with blood sugar control, but medication reduction/discontinuation, and of course, huge amounts of healthy weight loss, better sleep, improved moods and energy. I see the same positive results over and over, yet I am still humbled and amazed this way of eating works! Every single time. Haven’t had a failure yet.

    Keep up the amazing work Jimmy. We have so many people to reach with this critical, life-giving message!

    • http://www.livinlavidalowcarb.com Jimmy Moore

      AWESOME! Keep sharing the positive message of livin’ la vida low-carb!