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The LLVLC Show (Episode 570): Jonathan Bailor Offers Up ‘The Smarter Science Of Slim’


In Episode 570 of “The Livin’ La Vida Low-Carb Show with Jimmy Moore,” we are pleased to have a health and fitness researcher named Jonathan Bailor joining us to discuss nutritional science and the application of the lessons we’ve learned from quality research. Think about this: What would happen if someone decided to immerse themselves completely into the scientific research that has been conducted on diet, nutrition and health in an effort to glean the most relevant facts about fat loss without the marketing hype that tends to dominate conventional thinking in our culture? Well, that’s exactly what Jonathan did looking at over 10,000 pages research studies over many years where he discovered some rather unconventional truths that make up the contents of his brand new book on the subject entitled The Smarter Science Of Slim: What the Actual Experts Have Proven About Weight Loss, Dieting, & Exercise, Plus, The Harvard Medical School Endorsed Program To Burn Fat Permanently. Listen in as I discuss with Jonathan about his decade long journey through mountains of paper to learn that what is being taught as “healthy” in modern-day society is probably far from it. This book is turning the heads of prominent medical professionals, athletes and health researchers alike and we’re happy to bring Jonathan’s work to you today!

Listen to Jonathan Bailor share what the science showed him:

  • He’s always been a “naturally curious guy” doing science camps
  • In his teenage years he learned nutrition and became a trainer
  • Being a trainer was “a turning point” in his life
  • Clients were paying him thousands of dollars to share diet info
  • The “eat less and exercise more” mantra he parroted to them
  • His clients lost weight as long as they kept it up
  • He became disheartened by the failed long-term results they had
  • He determined there must be a way to properly deal with fat loss
  • He turned to the academic literature to learn more of the facts
  • After about 10 studies, he noticed “a massive gap” in the info
  • It’s became “almost a religious thing” to share this data
  • Who his major influencers were during his 10-year research
  • The similarity of what he discovered to the Paleo low-carb diet
  • His “real job” is as a program manager with Microsoft
  • He takes the complex and simplifies it for people to understand
  • “Just take a step” during that hour or two to share with others
  • Researchers are passionate but not trained in marketing/speaking
  • The distortion done by the science media to genuine research
  • Low-carb is a paradigm on how to live your nutritional life
  • The challenge of his book is it bucks conventional wisdom
  • His two most difficult hurdles to get over in writing this book
  • You have to be satisfied which is why consuming fat is good
  • How people either call his book a “low-carb diet” or not
  • Nobody in the low-carb world is saying to avoid eating spinach
  • The body requires protein and fat or you will die
  • If you never ingest any glucose, your body will make it
  • The human body does not require exogenous carbohydrate/glucose
  • We don’t need a single carbohydrate in our diet
  • Carbohydrates are a “very effective carrier of nutrients”
  • You don’t need more calories but rather more nutrition
  • He kept thinking the data he was learning was wrong
  • The story his mother shared about exercise and fertility
  • The “common sense things” that our parents went through
  • How the book is chopped up into bite-sized thematic chunks
  • Calories in, calories out has been “so misrepresented”
  • The body regulates itself into a state of homeostasis
  • When it comes to fueling the body, it automatically regulates
  • You don’t need to consciously monitor you get the right calories
  • It’s like telling your body to blink 10 times a minute
  • HIV/AIDS attacks the immune system to prevent the body to heal
  • Eating starches and sugars disrupts the hormonal homeostasis
  • Once you have been obese, your body works hard to stay there
  • If you treat obesity with less calories, it makes it worse
  • If you eat less, it slows down, loses muscle and then burns fat
  • Your set point is raised even higher when you cut calories more
  • “Eat less, exercise more” makes sense but not based on science
  • This thinking is absurd because the body isn’t like a scale
  • Water only builds up in a sink if the sink becomes clogged
  • The body only gets clogged by consuming low-quality starch/sugar
  • Exercising is like using a spoon to flick water out of the sink
  • Why the law of thermodynamics does not apply to nutrition
  • The assumption that excess calories are stored as fat is wrong
  • The body must do something but not necessarily store as fat
  • How 100-calorie packs are not based on any kind of science
  • 300 calories of sugar vs. fat/protein, there are differences
  • The SANE (Satiety, Aggression, Nutrition and Efficiently) idea
  • The over-obsession on calories and creating a deficit
  • Calories pay no attention to what is happening to hormones
  • Insulin and antidepressants ALWAYS makes people gain weight
  • Hormones are much more powerful than caloric intake/burned
  • Calories aren’t irrelevant, but they’re not the main thing
  • Hormones technically play an even bigger role than calories
  • The quality of calories/exercise we do impacts hormones
  • Why the USDA’s dietary guidelines are based on bad science
  • There is a glut of grains and that’s why they promote them
  • The best fiber and nutrition is not found in whole grains
  • Protein, non-starchy veggies and fruit give better nutrition
  • Spinach has ten times the fiber as whole grains
  • The correct question to ask is to assume nothing about diet
  • Ask which foods are the healthiest, not which grains are best
  • The food we consume today would not be recognized by ancestors
  • “Just eat food” that exists in nature and we’ll be fine
  • There’s no Cheerios tree or a bread bush
  • Keeping people obese happens because there’s a lot of money made
  • There very little money made in making people healthy
  • Foods along the store perimeter, there’s no money in it
  • You can’t just “exercise away” the calories you consume
  • Prescription drugs don’t cure anything, just manage symptoms
  • Money made in the heavy and sick people, not healthy and fit
  • Low-carb has had an “indelible change on our culture”
  • We are headed in the right direction nutritionally…slowly
  • It’s important to do what we can to “get the science out there”
  • When we eat a piece of meat, there’s proof of what happens
  • We gotta bring the facts back into fat loss again
  • The practical solutions for eating and exercising smarter

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    How did you like what you heard from Jonathan Bailor and his focus on the latest scientific research on exercise and fat loss? Tell us about it in the show notes section of Episode 570. Pick up your own copy of The Smarter Science Of Slim: What the Actual Experts Have Proven About Weight Loss, Dieting, & Exercise, Plus, The Harvard Medical School Endorsed Program To Burn Fat Permanently and check out more about Jonathan at his official web site JonathanBailor.com. Coming up on Wednesday, I can’t wait to share my brand new interview with Dr. Dwight Lundell, author of The Cure For Heart Disease. You might have seen his article “Heart Surgeon Speaks Out On What Really Causes Heart Disease” posted all over the Internet on blogs and social media trumpeting the high-fat, low-carb message for heart health. I actually interviewed Dr. Lundell in Episode 280 and wanted to have him back on the podcast to talk about this newfound interest in his work.

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    • Laura Tobias

      Such a great podcast! It was extremely informative and provided me with an entirely new and novel perspective on things. The question I have for Jonathan is this: if you have a deranged metabolism due to taking in too few calories and exercising a lot, how do you “fix” it? It may be as simple as eat more calories and fuel your body, but I am just curious as to what his thoughts were on how to fix a deranged metabolism from following the typical low cal/high exercise regime that many Americans adhere to. 

      • LLVLCBlog

        I’ll see if I can get Jonathan to chime in here Laura.