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The LLVLC Show (Episode 466): Hal Herzog Explains Why It’s So Hard To Think Straight About Animals

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In Episode 466 of “The Livin’ La Vida Low-Carb Show with Jimmy Moore,” we have quite the philosophical discussion with Western Carolina University psychology professor Hal Herzog about the peculiar and misunderstood subject of the human-animal connection. In his eye-opening new book Some We Love, Some We Hate, Some We Eat: Why It’s So Hard to Think Straight About Animals, Herzog attempts to reconcile why some animals that are considered pets in some parts of the world end up on the dinner table in another culture. He also examines the fine line of distinction we draw as humans about why we kill certain animals for human survival and co-habitate with other animals for companionship (and flee certain other animals out of fear). I’ve never quite had an interview like this one that will force you to think a little deeper about your own relationship with animals.

Listen to Professor Hal Herzog talk about the complexity of human interaction with animals:

  • Why he became so interested in the relationship between humans and animals
  • His love for the “creepy crawly” animals like snakes as a child that piqued his interest even more
  • The cockfighting event that changed the way he thought about the distinction between animals
  • The lines of demarkation that allow animals to be treated in a variety of ways (loved, hated, eaten)
  • How different cultures look at animals in a “blurry” kind of way
  • Jimmy’s intense fear of snakes that dates back to his childhood
  • The social science study of anthrozoology and why he’s so passionate about it
  • What people are doing when they are choosing a pet
  • How and why he and his wife became “cat people”
  • The studies that show dogs start looking like their owners
  • Why humans and only humans have pets
  • How you could tell if an animal had another animal as a pet
  • The “pet” relationship of humans to animals
  • Why dogs are referred to as “man’s best friend”
  • How gender plays a “mixed” role in choosing animals as pets
  • Why most people who work with PETA or animal rights are women
  • Why 90% of hunters are men (even in the Southern United States)
  • How people can eat a Chicken McNugget and not see that as cruelty towards the chicken
  • Why most people don’t care about the source of their food and how the animal is treated
  • The insatiable desire by people to buy “cheap meat” rather than more expensive quality meat
  • Why humans have been drawn to be “natural meat-eaters” back to our hunter-gatherer ancestors
  • The “dark side of vegetarianism” and how meat avoidance can lead to problems for some people
  • Why vegetarians are more susceptible to getting eating disorders like bulimia and anorexia
  • What it was like eating a raw steak
  • Why mice and guinea pigs are primarily used in animal-model research
  • How PETA compares the fish-throwing at Pike’s Market in Seattle with throwing kittens
  • Whether we are all just a bunch of hypocrites regarding our love for animals
  • What the “right” thing to do regarding animals
  • What he hopes people would get out of reading his book

    There are three ways you can listen to Episode 466:

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    What did you think about what you heard from Hal Herzog about the human-animal connection? Share your comments about what you heard in the show notes section of Episode 466. Pick up a copy of Some We Love, Some We Hate, Some We Eat: Why It’s So Hard to Think Straight About Animals and check out more about Hal at his official web site.

    Coming up next week, we’ve got a jam-packed week of podcasts for you! On Monday, we’ve got a doubleheader interview for you featuring marketing manager Erin Fray who will discuss the new Swedish Diet dietary supplement. Unlike the strong LCHF (low-carb, high-fat) movement happening in Sweden right now, this new diet juice that boasts “The Swedish Diet” name is absolutely loaded with sugar–and I challenge Erin about this oddity. Then in the second interview on Monday, we’ll hear from the enthusiastic young Karen Pendergrass, Founder and CEO of Paleo Approved which is dedicated to providing a safe and reliable food-labeling system for all consumers looking for genuine Paleo/low-carb products as part of their healthy lifestyle.

    Then on Thursday, we’ve got a brief interview with Belgian researcher Jeroen Raes about his new study published in the April 20, 2011 issue of Nature that identifies three specific types of gut flora that could determine which diet is best for your weight and health. It’s fascinating, cutting-edge research. That interview with be followed by a BIG one that so many of you have been waiting for–Tim Ferriss, author of the New York Times #1 bestselling The 4-Hour Body: An Uncommon Guide to Rapid Fat-Loss, Incredible Sex, and Becoming Superhuman. If you’ve never heard of Tim, then you are in for a real treat as he shares about just a few of the multitude of personal human experiments he did on himself and documented in this book. His interests run across many spectrums from marketing to business to health. Whatever you do, don’t miss hearing what he has to say in my interview with him next Thursday!

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    • ValerieH

      This is another book to go on my wish list. I don’t know how many books I’ve read just because of your show. This was such a fascinating discussion. I would be interested in hearing what he has to say about human admiration for certain wild animals that protray strength, such as bald eagles, large cats, wolves, bears, etc… Sometimes people choose a totem animal.
      According to the Nourishing Traditions cookbook, raw meat is very healthy. My friends regularly eat raw meat. They say it is very satisfying. I always sample some when I make jerky.
      My children watch a lot of nature shows on television. They like all animals; even the ones that creep me out. It is really amazing how much animal information is available on tv. My 1st grader did an assignment on river dolphins in the Amazon and her teacher had never heard that they are pink.
      The discussion on cruelty-free meats was very good. My kids and I visited the farm where we buy the majority of our food. I showed them the “happy” animals that regularly end up on our table. They had a great time chasing the chickens and ducks.

      • http://www.livinlavidalowcarb.com Jimmy Moore

        THANKS Valerie! Try to keep a wide variety of guests coming your way. :)