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The LLVLC Show (Episode 439-Part 2): Q&A Session With Gary Taubes

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In Episode 439 of “The Livin’ La Vida Low-Carb Show with Jimmy Moore,” we bring to you Part 2 of my interview with New York Times bestselling author Gary Taubes! You already know him from his instant classic Good Calories Good Calories and he has grown quite the reputation for being the go-to guy regarding nutritional research over the past few years. That notoriety is sure to increase in 2011 with his new consumer-friendly book Why We Get Fat And What To Do About It. Written in an easy-to-read format (unlike GCBC), this book is already rockin’ the bestseller lists and shows no sign of slowing down with Gary making media appearances galore! After addressing and responding to his critics in Part 1, today he answers the burning questions my listeners had for him.

Listen to Gary Taubes discuss why people who eat a low-carb diet tend to eat less calories naturally, why some of the explanations about why low-carb diets work are so dead wrong, how your own stored body fat become calories used by your body for fuel when you reduce your caloric intake naturally eating low-carb, the intriguing story of Hilda Bruch featured in the introduction to Why We Get Fat, the toxic food environment that existed in the 1930s, 1960s, 1980s and today that is not related to the usual suspects like fast food, video games, and computers, why the calories theory makes it easy to ignore the real underlying reasons behind why we get fat, an update on the HFCS/sugar project he was working on with Dr. Robert Lustig and when it is expected to hit the market, whether he has learned anything new about alpha glycerol phosphate since my last interview with him in September 2010, why men in poor countries who eat lots of carbs tend to be thinner than the women who tend to do more of the work, why he puts the emphasis more on insulin than leptin, what he thinks about interval and resistance training for weight loss, whether there are any good new low-carb studies coming from the research community, his idea for keeping the cost of a large-scale low-carb study that could be conducted over the Internet, what he thinks about alternative theories about what causes metabolic syndrome (wheat, linoleic acid, etc.), what he thinks about the Kitavans doing so well with their health despite consuming a high-carb diet, what he thinks about the starch/wheat vs. fructose debate, what he thinks about the seemingly paradoxical views of Ron Krauss and Walter Willett, and what he thinks about the “set point” theory which prevents people from being able to attain their normal weight and whether it’s healthy to weigh a little bit above normal weight. It’s always a fantastic conversation when I get to speak with Gary Taubes and I’m grateful for his willingness to give me an outstanding 100-minute interview!

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  • Sherri

    WHY LOW CARB SEEMS TO “STOP WORKING” AT SOME POINT

    Taubes mentioned that he has really been into some blogger named Hyperlipid lately. High praise, and I’ll be checking that blog out for sure. The idea is that we aren’t hungry on low carb diets IF WE ARE FAT, because it allows our fat stores to finally be released. We are essentially eating our own body fat as supplementation to our diet. This of course means we don’t have to eat as much as “normal.” And when I say “normal” I mean we can get away with eating even less then what a lean person would eat, precisely because we have extra fat on our body to consume and they don’t.

    So, once you get down to a “normal weight” after low carbing, you no longer have that extra supply of fat to supplement your diet. And by “normal weight” I’m really trying to say “a weight where your body is in equilibrium with your diet and metabolism.”

    So losing that last 10-20lb is a different game. It’s 10-20lb you might want to lose for vanity, but it’s not 10-20lb that your body metabolically recognizes as “extra weight.”

    I agree with Taubes in that if you want to be as lean as possible, eat as few carbs as possible. If you are still low carbing and want to lose more, you probably have to go lower carb or even zero carb. If you are zero carb and want to lose more, you are probably out of luck unless you like being hungry or can find other ways to overcome insulin resistance (exercise, green tea, cinnamon, fad wild speculation). Where you land on the spectrum depends on how damaged your metabolism is.

    • Hyperlipid is Peter and I’m working on interviewing him for my podcast later this year. Click here to see Peter’s blog.

  • Louise D

    Fantastic to hear from Gary again! Reflecting upon the carbsense interview, I remember the interviewee talking about her credentials –having science degrees, working in a scientific field, etc. She described them in vague terms, but insisted that she had expertise and credibility because of them. It seems to me, that insisting upon remaining anonymous negates the very purpose of academic credentials. They exist so that a person can evaluate the credentials of an “expert” even when unfamiliar with the field of expertise. They exist specifically so that a layperson does not just have to take their word that they are an expert. Claiming to have degrees but refusing to reveal what they are, making it impossible to confirm or evaluate them, is ridiculous and nonsensical. If she must remain anonymous, her ideas and analysis really have to stand alone, without the support of credentials–she has to prove her credibility with credible and solid analysis. But, the people who can evaluate that are necessarily limited. Of course, Gary is one of them, and he made his opinion of her acuity pretty clear. In the end, the whole thing reminds me of the satirical “Dr. Science” radio show. Of course, that was actually funny.

    • Sherri

      I agree Louise. I smell a “Kimmer” there. She is obviously intelligent though her logic is hard to follow, but it’s her motives I question, not Gary’s.

  • Sherri, I was thinking “Kimmer” too. Why would someone be SO anonymous, especially when it is something as innocuous as discussing nutrition. Very odd. The only explanation would seem to be that she was a high level exec for Weight Watchers or Jenny Craig. But that seems unlikely.
    Further, someone who lost as much weight as her is usually quite proud and would like to show it off. The complete lack of pictures is cause for doubt.

    I DO like people who question and delve into subjects that I am too bone-headed to understand, but it seems that this woman is being childish and incendiary instead of trying to actually get the truth. Does she try to sell anything on her blog?

    Anyway, excellent podcast with Taubes. He is so thorough! He is actually the one that got me thinking of doing low carb, along with Dr. Davis.

    I am very happy to report that I have lowered my blood pressure over 10 points with low carb. I am now trying meat and eggs in order to lower it more. I’m inspired!

  • Jeannie

    As I listened to “CarbSane” the other day, I was struck by all the hemming and hawing in her speech. Couple that with her “desire to remain anonymous” and poser comes to mind. Another Kimmer…

  • I share some personal details on the chronicles blog, including my actual weight, size and history of eating disorders that I would prefer not become common knowledge to those in my real life who might happen to come across it. Why this is some sort of problem for people is beyond me.

    I’ll let the technical content on my blog speak for itself as regards my education and background. In the end, it would matter not, however if it were even written by Kimmer herself. One does not need to be a rocket scientist to read “there is no evidence to support XYZ” in a text book that Taubes cites as his seminal reference when discussing his theory of XYZ. Too bad Jimmy didn’t ask him specifically about Newsholme & Start, although I hardly expected he would.

    Since I’m not selling anything, I fail to see any analogy to Kimmer. My personal life, in the end, is irrelevant to the criticism of Taubes’ science and the quality of his research. Current, well designed and conducted peer reviewed research does not support his theories.

    • “Current, well designed and conducted peer reviewed research does not support his theories.”

      Carbsane, that is a broad statement, and from what I’ve read, pretty clearly untrue. I’ve been able to find independent verification of most of what I’ve read in GCBC.

  • Jimmy, thanks for passing my question along. And thanks to both of you for a great interview.

    I posted my thoughts on Mr. Taubes’ answer to my question over here:

    http://yelling-stop.blogspot.com/2011/01/gary-taubes-interviewed-by-jimmy-moore.html

  • dean

    Just got to listen to these today and so glad to have the indepth discussion. I have benefitted so much from low carb, and Taubes books have put the science to the Why? that plagued me for years.

  • I have read Carb sane’s blog and I think I misjudged her. All she is saying (I think) is that some/most cannot eat ad libitum on low carb and lose weight. I know many people that can attest to this- even you Jimmy, have cut down on the amount of food you consume and it has resulted in fantastic weight loss. What I glean from her is that low carb is great at reducing appetite, which I think is a valid message.

    Anyway, I don’t like the vitriol just because she attacked Taubes. Everyone is entitled to their opinion….we got into this obesity mess by never questioning the conventional wisdom, so let’s not get ahead of ourselves. Everyone can be wrong, and theories are only as good as their latest experiment.

  • PHK

    hyperlipid blog is wonderful (eagerly waiting)