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Study Claims An Animal-Based Low-Carb Diet Will Kill You--Not So Fast!

Be encouraged, my friends, because despite the negative stigmatism that livin’ la vida low-carb has been receiving over the past few years, we are winning the argument. How you ask? Well, consider this–when the Atkins diet was in its prime of popularity back in the early to mid-2000′s, those in opposition to it said that it was “dangerous” to remove the body’s primary fuel source (carbohydrates) and that consuming fat of any kind is harmful to cardiovascular health. Flash forward now to the year 2010 and there’s a whole new tune being sung by those who have long espoused the conventional wisdom of less fat and calories and more “healthy” carbohydrates like whole grains, beans, and the like. Now they’re conceding that Dr. Atkins was right when he encouraged people to control the amount of carbohydrates consumed (limited to the “good carbs” found in berries and green leafy veggies, etc.) while insuring you get fat in your diet from sources like avocados, nuts, and other sources.

While this may not seem like such a giant leap for those of us who espouse low-carb living as a healthy way of eating, in reality it’s a really big deal. And the acknowledgement of the benefits carbohydrate-restriction brings comes at a time when the low-fat apologists are absolutely giddy with excitement about the results of a new study published in the September 7, 2010 issue of the Annals of Internal Medicine that allegedly proves a meat-based low-carb diet leads to higher rates of cardiovascular disease and cancer-related deaths than a low-carb diet that is vegetable-based (dubbed “Eco-Atkins”). We’ll get into the curious details of this study out of Harvard momentarily, but does anyone else see what has happened here? No longer are we simply debating the idea of low-carb vs. low-fat–that argument is ancient history now that the high-carb, low-fat crowd has conceded the uniquely fattening properties of carbohydrates that Gary Taubes wrote so brilliantly about in his 2007 masterpiece Good Calories Bad Calories. And perhaps the Taubes effect is responsible for this seemingly sudden change of heart about the negative role of carbohydrates in the diet. With the upcoming release of his more consumer-friendly Why We Get Fat And What To Do About It on December 28, 2010, all I see are good things to come on behalf of healthy low-carb nutrition in the years to come.

However, now they’ve turned their attention to the fat and protein sources of the Atkins-styled low-carb diet–meat primarily–and are hammering away at the point that red meat will somehow kill you faster than if you chose a low-carb diet that includes mostly plants. They tried making this point with this March 2009 study published in the Archives of Internal Medicine, but it didn’t pass the scientific muster or the common sense smell test with those of us who actually looked at the data used by the researchers. This is what I like to refer to as the veganization or more appropriately the “Pollan”ization of livin’ la vida low-carb (named after bestselling author Michael Pollan who famously wrote in his book In Defense of Food for people to “Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants.”). It seems we are subjected to this kind of nonsense about once a year that makes a big splash in the headlines against a high-fat, meat-based, low-carb diet and this new study is no exception. Look at just a small sampling of the vitriolic and even snarky reporting of this study:

On a low-carb diet? You may live longer if you make it vegetable-based
Daily Buzz: Low-Carb Diets (ahem, Atkins) Show Health Risks
Low carb diets might be deadly
Animal-Based Low-Carb Atkins Diet Increased Risk of Death

And then there’s this “Health Watch” segment on CBS’ “Early Show” (GAG ALERT!):

http://www.comcast.net/ve/1.0/1585691772/420/356

It’s interesting how all of those “good carbs” she demonstrated are perfectly fine for someone following a high-fat, low-carb diet. Foods like almonds, avocados, berries, spinach and more are a great part of livin’ la vida low-carb, but the doctor didn’t mention that at all. And my point about how they’ve conceded the argument that limiting carbohydrates is gaining in popularity is borne out in that survey that showed consumers looking for more low-carb good options now is up over 500%. It’s a good day when you stop and think how much further along in the education process we are now than we were just five years ago…how much further along will we get five years from now. It’s exciting to think about! Now, let’s get to that study!

Lead researcher Dr. Frank Hu, professor of nutrition at the Harvard School of Public Health, wanted to see the “long-term association between low-carbohydrate diet and mortality” since much of the research on this topic is “sparse.” To do that, he conducted a prospective cohort study of 85,168 healthy women from the famous Nurses’ Health Study and 44,548 healthy men in the Health Professionals Follow-up Study free from heart disease, cancer, or diabetes at the beginning of the study. Note that all of the study participants are health care professionals and not necessarily a representative sample of the general population. The female participants were followed from 1980 through 2006 and the male participants were tracked from 1986 through 2006. Dr. Hu and his fellow researchers determined whether the dieter consumed a more animal-based diet with animal sources of fat and protein or a more vegetable-based diet with vegetables as the primary sources of fat and protein based on “several validated food-frequency questionnaires assessed during follow-up.” However, the researchers acknowledge that portions of the “self-reported diet” could have been “inaccurate.” More about that in just a moment.

In total, there were 12,555 deaths in the women and 8678 deaths in the men during the study period. Approximately twice as many of the women died from cancer (5780) than those who died from a cardiovascular-related issue (2458). Of the men in the study, the death rates were nearly the same between cancer (2960) and a cardiovascular-related issue (2746). Interestingly (and I didn’t read this reported anywhere), the animal-based low-carb dieters in the study were “more likely to be current smokers” which could have just as easily contributed to the deaths found in the study more so than the diet. However, those who ate the more plant-based low-carb diet were more likely to consume more alcoholic beverages. Nevertheless, Dr. Hu and his researchers concluded that there was a statistically higher risk for the various cancer and heart disease deaths as well as all-cause mortality with the animal-based low-carb diet compared to the plant-based one based on a scoring system used in the study.

This study seems to be bleak news for those of us who support plans like the Atkins diet or Protein Power which include copious amounts of fatty meats. But Dr. Hu was quick to point out in the discussion portion of the study that “The low-carbohydrate diet scores were not designed to mimic any particular versions of low-carbohydrate diets available in the popular literature. Therefore, the risk estimates do not directly translate to the assessment of benefit or risk associated with the popular versions of the diet.” Oh really? Well, you wouldn’t know it from the reporting of this new research where the “A” word has been tossed around like a punching bag with the late, great Dr. Robert C. Atkins’ face attached to it! If the researchers put in their study that this wasn’t meant to be a condemnation of specific low-carb diet plans, then why all the scorning of a nutritional plan that has been the saving grace for millions of people? I’ve never understood the outright hatred and disdain that is directed at those of us who choose to include meat (a “real food” the last time I checked) in our diets. While we are making strides, it’s very clear the educational efforts about why meat-based fats and proteins must continue on until people get it.

To their credit, the Annals of Internal Medicine did allow an editorial response to this study by Dr. William Yancy from Duke University entitled “Animal, Vegetable, or…Clinical Trial?. Dr. Yancy has received research grants from the Robert C. Atkins Foundation and has conducted some fantastic research studying high-fat, low-carb diets compared with low-fat diets. In his editorial, Dr. Yancy notes that there have been numerous clinical trials in the past decade showing that high-fat, low-carb diets are as effective for weight loss and health risk factors like blood pressure, cholesterol, and blood sugars as low-fat diets and that this trumped the results of older observational studies that erroneously linked dietary fat with poor health outcomes. He explained that “newer observational studies…have absolved fat (with the exception of trans fat) as a detriment to health” and pointed out that they have instead “implicated refined sugars and starches.” In looking at this new study, Yancy says it’s important to view it in the context of the preponderance of the evidence over the past few years.

In fact, it was Dr. Hu himself who released this NIH-funded observational study in November 2006 published in the The New England Journal of Medicine that found the long-term heart health concerns about low-carb diets were unfounded. What data pool did he draw from for his research? The same one he did for this new one–The Nurses’ Health Study. Of course, he was already leaning towards looking at the veggie-based low-carb diet in that study claiming it produced better outcomes. But this latest release pretty much damns an animal-based low-carb diet from being healthy. Dr. Yancy points out the confusing nature of how the data was interpreted now compared with that 2006 study in his editorial.

The overall response that Dr. Yancy provided to this study was that a large-scale, randomized clinical trial is sorely needed to determine these outcomes before making such broad-based pronouncements that a plant-based low-carb diet is superior to an animal-based one. The cohort study results “did not show a clear dose-response relationship in that there was no a clear progression of risk moving up or down” in comparing the two diets. In other words, Dr. Yancy revealed that many other factors could have been at work aside from the diet, including what I noted earlier regarding the animal-based low-carb dieters being three times more likely to smoke as well as half as likely to exercise. Additionally, any changes in the dietary patterns over time were not included as part of this study.

Plus, in thinking about this observational study, who’s to say the participants ate “low-carb” when they consumed animal-based or even plant-based diets? Claiming someone who eats meat is on an animal-based low-carb diet is the same thing as arguing that completing a “Paint-By-Number” painting makes you the next Vincent Van Gogh. Couldn’t those “animal-based” eaters have consumed lots of lean protein sources like chicken or turkey to make it a low-fat, low-carb diet–not at all like the Atkins diet? After all, these participants are all medical professionals and were undoubtedly telling their patients with weight and health issues to cut the fat in their diet? And mixing that kind of food intake with an unspecified amount of carbohydrate in the diet, it’s virtually impossible to know whether any of these people ever got close to what would be considered the Atkins diet. A total crapshoot!

Dr. Yancy noted that the time for conducting a genuine diet trial is “more feasible today than ever before given the possibility of a ubiquitous health information infrastructure emerging in the United States.” And he’s right! Have you ever stopped to think about how confusing it is for the public to be exposed to seemingly conflicting diet studies? Just last month we saw the Gary Foster study published in this exact same journal touting the cardiovascular health benefits of a high-fat, low-carb diet. That one was a randomized clinical trial while the Hu trial was not. And yet there is no distinction made in the reporting of these two studies to the public as both are given airtime exposure to the public as if these two research methodologies are identical. They are not. This “major detractor,” as Dr. Yancy describes the constant “plethora of mixed messages society receives about what and what not to eat” is merely making dietary truth harder to penetrate our culture. He ends his editorial with a rhetorical question that desperately needs an answer.

Isn’t adherence likely to be higher if we had greater certainty about which dietary patterns are healthy and which are not?

Of course, this teeny tiny little detail didn’t deter the famous low-fat diet guru Dr. Dean Ornish from chiming in on the study in his Huffington Post column (where he serves as the Medical Editor). As I noted at the beginning, the low-fat apologists like Ornish have conceded defeat on the carbohydrate argument and have made it all about the source of the fat now. Ornish admitted as much when he says the “Eco-Atkins” is “essentially the same diet that I have been recommending and studying for more than 30 years” although he has changed many of his views over the years while claiming to have never changed. Most of this article simply regurgitates the same information we’ve heard from Dean Ornish ad nauseam for many years, including what he has previously shared in my two podcast interviews with him in October 2007 and then again in February 2008 (he’s refused to come back on the podcast again ever since). Dr. Ornish claims this new study is “important” because it exposes the flaws of an animal-based diet. But I wonder if our good buddy would be willing to put his money where his mouth is to work in conjunction with researchers like Dr. Eric Westman at Duke and Dr. Jeff Volek at The University of Connecticut for the long-term randomized clinical trial Dr. Yancy talked about? If he’s so hellbent on claiming his diet is superior for “reversing heart disease,” then why not prove it by having his team work with the high-carb, low-fat dieters in the study while Westman and Volek work with the high-fat, low-carb dieters? Until this kind of research is done where compliance by participants in both study groups is virtually mandated, then all of these back-and-forth headlines about which diet is optimal will continue on indefinitely with no practical conclusions to serve the general public. And that’s the greatest shame of all in this entire discussion.

Speaking of Dr. Volek, here’s what he had to say about the Hu study.

“What strikes me about this study is the assumption by the authors that the massive numbers of subjects overcomes the well known limitations associated with using food frequency questionnaires (FFQ). I don’t see a nutritionist or dietitian as an author, so maybe they are unaware that the FFQ method is not quantitative. This is true whether there are 20 subjects or 200,000 subjects in the study. Even if we assume some level of accuracy in assessing carbohydrate and overall nutrient intake by FFQ, these authors only examined food intake at one time point at the start of the 20+ year studies. The conclusions are predicated on the notion that subjects did not change their dietary patterns (an unlikely assumption). If a person decided to change their diet at any point during the two-decade study it would not be reflected in the analysis. In respect to the Atkins Diet, it should be emphasized that using these data as an indictment of the diet as being unhealthy is inappropriate. From the data presented the cohort with the lowest carbohydrate intake had a median carbohydrate intake (% of energy) of 35% (men) and 37% (women), nowhere close to the level of carbohydrate restriction of the Atkins Diet. The benefits of carbohydrate restriction may not be linear (this is open to debate) and the fact there is limited if any data on very low carbohydrate intakes in this cohort indicates the results are irrelevant to true followers of the Atkins Diet.”

The bottom line: these people didn’t do the Atkins diet. So for the media and people like Dean Ornish to label the nutritional intake of these study participants as such is dishonest and you can only conclude was a purposeful act to smear a healthy dietary plan that has been the saving grace in the weight and health of so many Americans. One of my longtime readers named Peter who has often played devil’s advocate with me in debating my interpretations of various diet studies over the years that have been both pro- and anti-low-carb forwarded his preemptive comments about the Hu study that I thought were worth sharing. Here’s what he said:

We know that people who get their food at farmer’s markets and health food stores are different in hundreds of ways from people who get their food from supermarkets and fast food restaurants. If you ever stand in line at Safeway among the mostly overweight people buying sodas and candy or the skinny people at the health food store buying brown rice and vegetables, you can see they are two different groups. Ever see anyone smoke at the farmer’s market? We just don’t know which of the hundred ways that that the health food eaters are more health conscious really make the difference. Mostly we just know what both Ornish and Atkins agreed on, that the sugar and flour diet is a bad idea. We’ll have to wait a while for a really good study before we know that “Atkins Diet Increases All Cause Mortality” or if it doesn’t.

Well said Peter! And as much as I’d love to see that study happen as Taubes noted is necessary at the end of Good Calories, Bad Calories, there’s just too much at stake for low-fat diet apologists to crack open that door even a tiny little bit just in case they’re wrong about high-fat, low-carb diets. Right now they’re sitting pretty by continuing to spread lipophobia to the masses, but time is running out when someday that dog won’t hunt anymore. And when it does, I’ll be happily waiting here to share about the good news of livin’ la vida low-carb. And I’ll say it again: be encouraged my friends because we ARE making a difference! Never stop shining on behalf of the healthy low-carb lifestyle!

Share your feedback about this study by Dr. Frank Hu by sending him an e-mail at frank.hu@channing.harvard.edu. I’ve previously asked him to come on my podcast for an interview, but I never received a response. I’d be very curious to ask him how he can reconcile the stark difference in the conclusions he made in his 2006 study compared with this one four years later. Let me know if you receive a response from Dr. Hu.

  • Richard Tamesis, M.D.

    Can we just agree that if it is an observational study, then any claims as to cause an effect such as this paper makes between low carb diets and mortality are immediately suspect and should be taken with a huge grain of salt?

    • http://www.livinlavidalowcarb.com Jimmy Moore

      I think observational studies are a great way to confirm clinical trials. But you’re right. No way they should be used as primary evidence of anything.

  • http://nerdsafari.com Bob Kaplan

    Jimmy,

    This is a fantastic post. I just read the Ornish article at HuffPo before coming over here…and on the way I thought to myself, ‘I hope someone dismantles this thing because I can only go without so much sleep.’

    I was in the formative stages of dismantling Ornish’s article, such as looking at the “recent study [2009 PNAS paper] reviewed in The New England Journal of Medicine found that an Atkins-type diet “promotes atherosclerosis (heart disease) through mechanisms that do not modify the classic cardiovascular risk factors” such as HDL.”

    Well Dr. Eades tackled this one: http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/cardiovascular-disease/do-statinators-dream-of-engineered-mice/ about trying to tilt the playing field in favor of preconceived outcomes.

    I wrote a recent article in the LA Times http://www.latimes.com/health/la-he-my-turn-atkins-20100823,0,6783467.story and have since started a blog that is, at the moment, sleep-inducing, but I hope to find my voice soon and add a little style, as you have to this article and the rest of your work.

    My most recent post covers some of the carbohydrate hypothesis and begs the question of whether people studying the carbohydrate hypothesis (such as Foster et al., 2010) are actually ignoring the carbohydrate hypothesis: http://www.nerdsafari.com/4/post/2010/09/bad-science-diet-wars-low-carb-vs-low-fat-part-iv-macronutrient-composition.html

    I wonder if there’s any footage or literature out there (his books, maybe?) that shows Ornish changing his views and then showing him recently where he says he has never strayed from his premise (although the same can be said of the USDA where they’re constantly revising their hypothesis). It’s OK to flip-flop in science, in fact it’s admirable, but don’t lie about it to try to save face.

    These epidemiological studies like the Framingham Heart Study and the Nurses’ Health Study probably do more harm than good. People can use this data as a palette to paint their preconceptions. You could probably show an association between anything you desired if you massaged the data.

    Great work, Jimmy!

    • http://www.livinlavidalowcarb.com Jimmy Moore

      Thanks Bob! Keep up the great work yourself. :)

  • http://www.free-heatlhy-diet-plans.com Misty

    Great breakdown of the study Jimmy. I want to see a study as Peter mentions of those who purchase farm fresh foods not manufactured foods. As always, you have cited well my friend. What an asset to the low carb community you are.

    • http://www.livinlavidalowcarb.com Jimmy Moore

      Thanks Misty!

  • http://nerdsafari.com Bob Kaplan

    Jimmy Moore wrote: “I think observational studies are a great way to confirm clinical trials. But you’re right. No way they should be used as primary evidence of anything.”

    While I agree that observational studies shouldn’t be used as primary evidence of anything, I would flip your opening statement. Observational studies don’t really confirm anything, but they do help us generate hypotheses. The observational study can help create a theory, and then that theory needs to be rigorously tested by the experimental method.

    Claude Bernard puts it (In An Introduction to the Study of Experimental Medicine):

    When an hypothesis is submitted to the experimental method, it becomes a theory, while if it is submitted to logic alone, it becomes a system. A system, then, is an hypothesis with which we have connected the facts logically with the help of reason, but without experimental, critical verification. A theory is a verified hypothesis, after it has been submitted to the control of reason and experimental criticism. The soundest theory is one that has been verified by the greatest number of facts. But to remain valid, a theory must be continually altered to keep pace with the progress of science and must be constantly resubmitted to verification and criticism as new facts appear.

    If we consider a theory perfect and stop verifying by daily scientific experience, it becomes a doctrine. A doctrine, then, is a theory which we regard as immutable, which we take as a starting point for later deduction, and which we believe we are no longer obliged to submit to experimental verification.

    In a word, systems and doctrines in medicine are hypothetical or theoretic ideas transformed into immutable principles. This sort of method belongs essentially to scholasticism and differs radically from the experimental method. These two methods of the mind, indeed, are contradictory. Systems and doctrines proceed by affirmation and purely logical deduction; the experimental method always proceeds by doubt and experimental verification. Systems and doctrines are individual; they are meant to be immutable and to preserve their personal aspect. The experimental method, on the other hand, is impersonal; it destroys individuality by uniting and sacrificing everyone’s particular ideas, and turning them to the advantage of universal truth as established with the help of the experimental criterion. It advances slowly and laboriously and in this respect will always be less pleasing to the mind. Systems, on the contrary, are alluring because they give us a science absolutely regulated by logic alone; and that frees us from studying and makes medicine easy. Experimental medicine, then, is anti-systematic and anti-doctrinal by nature, or rather it is free and independent in its essence and does not try to attach itself to any kind of medical system.

  • Bob

    Dr Ashton is kinda hot so she must be right. I’m thinkin’ scrambled tofu with whole wheat toast for breakfast:)

  • Tula

    Great analysis, Jimmy. It’s been my experience that hard-core proponents of vegetarianism will cover their ears and go “la la la la la la la” whenever anything is noted that might contradict their views. It makes me chuckle sometimes. Just the other day, I was waylaid by an older gentleman at the Whole Foods market who proceeded to lecture me on why humans are not carnivores… all the while glancing disparagingly at the package of pork chops in my basket, LOL! I get this sort of thing a lot because I use the “granny scooter” in grocery stores due to my arthritis and that often inspires people to ask about why I have an air cast on my foot (bum ankle) and am using the scooter, since I’m not elderly and don’t look handicapped. I don’t mind the curiosity, but I frequently have to endure people suggestions of their favorite snake-oil remedies and “curative” diets (usually vegetarian, though sometimes just wheat-restricted).

    • http://www.livinlavidalowcarb.com Jimmy Moore

      People make a lot of assumptions based on appearance. Like thinking somebody who isn’t a perfect weight in their eyes is unhealthy when all of their health markers are spectacular.

  • http://www.beefandwhiskey.com mrfreddy (www.beefandwhisky.com)

    Denise Menger gives this one the China Study treatment, and of course, the actual data tells a much different story that we’ve been hearing.

    http://rawfoodsos.com/2010/09/08/brand-spankin-new-study-are-low-carb-meat-eaters-in-trouble/

    Poor Dean Ornish. His Huffpost blog just shows how biased he really is. He’ll grab onto any study that supports his views, no matter how shabby.

  • Dan (aka Renegadediabetic)

    Jenny at Diabetes Update weighed in on this.

    http://diabetesupdate.blogspot.com/2010/09/why-latest-low-carb-scare-study-is.html

    She shares her personal experience with food questionaires. Very enlightening.

    Not all “good carb” that Dr. Ashton metioned are appropriate for a low carb diet. She did mention whole grains. Just gotta’ have those grains, low carb or not. Sigh.

  • Cindy

    I looked up the article and noticed that, for the most part, the results were not signficant for women! Guess we’re off the hook, huh? I am not faulting the Framingham study, I think it is an excellent cohort study. But I agree it is more hypothesis generating than conclusive. I would like the prose the hypothesis that the article’s conclusion – consuming animal-based protein increases risk of cancer and CVD – is indicative of a damaged food supply. Perhaps what we are seeing is the result of decades of consuming grain-fed beef (and altered omega-3 and omega 6 ratios) and hormones in the food supply. I, for one, am not going to alter my consumption of animal protein. I am going to make a more concerted effort to seek out grass-fed beef!

    • http://www.livinlavidalowcarb.com Jimmy Moore

      Cindy, that’s my take, too. I’d LOVE to see a study comparing grass-fed and pastured foods over anything else. BRING IT ON!

  • Karen

    Re Dr. Hu, I’m not seeing a stark difference in his conclusions. One study compared (allegedly) low-carb with low-fat. The other compared two (allegedly) low-carb diets, animal protein vs. vegetable protein. It is not inconsistent for low carb to hold up against low fat while vegetable-dominant low carb fared better than animal-dominant low-carb.

    Re the conclusions of the recent study, notice that they were derived from a comparison of the extreme deciles (presumably going to that extreme was required to produce a significant difference) and even then the difference was described as “weakly associated.” On a practical level, that’s a pretty slim difference to warrant such an outsized reaction.

    • http://www.livinlavidalowcarb.com Jimmy Moore

      Neither study can verify the participants ate “low-carb” since they were both observational studies of the same data.

  • Kim

    Thanks Jimmy for getting on this right away. It’s so frustrating that the vegetarian movement gets a lot of positive press based unfortunately on flawed studies. It doesn’t matter though as the public is wholely unaware of the facts and the truth regarding various diet hypotheses. They read the headlines and believe them. Even though many like you and other’s come behind the publishing of these studies to expose the biases and flaws, the average person will never learn the truth. Even worse, those who’ve trumpeted the results of the study as confirmation of what they already believe, will use these flawed studies to promote their agenda; think T. Collin Campbell and Neal Barnard.

    The best way to dispell these diet myths is to fight fire with fire. We really need to direct lots of money toward research that controls for lots of variables and accurately uses different diets especially Atkins. I, too, would love to see a comparison of grass-fed animal products vs. feedlot. In fact, I looked for such studies several years ago and found none. So I’ll make a deal with you Jimmy; if either one of us wins a huge lottery jackpot, we’ll be sure and donate a chunk toward a study like this! Whatta ya say?

    • http://www.livinlavidalowcarb.com Jimmy Moore

      Works for me Kim! But we are getting some mainstream attention with our call for the grand pub-ah of all diet studies–check this out in the Wall Street Journal today. WOO HOO!

  • Pjnoir

    You can grow a lot of cheap government subsided grain to flood the market with products that make people sick so they will they need to take bigPhaarm meds. Attack all signs of contradiction to our lies about low carb and high fat so nothing gets in the way of profits. It’s a sick country we live in…. Literally and we know why. GOD BLESS DR ATKINS, a man of extreme courage.

  • Richard Tamesis, M.D.

    Once again Denise Minger does a great job dissecting this paper and exposing it’s flaws.

    http://tinyurl.com/23m2f3v

    • http://www.livinlavidalowcarb.com Jimmy Moore

      Denise is amazing! Looking forward to sharing my podcast interview with her on September 27, 2010.

  • Lisa

    Thanks Jimmy for a cogent, rational analysis. Now, let’s hope for a well defined and well monitored study to shine the light on the differences in dietary approaches.

  • http://www.tribaldiabetics.com Andre Chimene

    Jimmy, thank you and Denise and Jenny for leapin from the trees down on this pig like a panther.

    To a Diabetic like myself, who is working hard to help other diabetics avoid the minefields of misinformation that I had to wander myself in for 8 years, your post helps clear the way. I get more angered than most because I know just how many of my fellow diabetics will now be turned to the wrong direction AGAIN from crap like this study. Many more lives will be lost when, lie-delays like road blocks, are thrown up on the race to the truth. Give em hell 54th!

    • http://www.livinlavidalowcarb.com Jimmy Moore

      Thanks Andre. It breaks my heart knowing the unintended consequences of these kind of studies is the fact it keeps people away from healthy options like low-carb living. Crying shame!

  • http://www.rawfoodsos.com Denise Minger

    Looks like I’m a little late to this party, but what an AWESOME article you’ve got here, Jimmy. It’s awfully rare that news headlines accurately reflect the results of a health study. And apparently also rare that researchers even report what they find without sculpting their results to fit the mold of Conventional Wisdom.

    I didn’t see the Huffington Post stuff until today, but wow. Ornish shoots himself in the foot when he says the plant-food group is “essentially the same diet that I have been recommending and studying for more than 30 years,” considering that group was eating 30% of their calories from animal foods and almost 40% of their calories from fat. If that’s the diet he’s recommending now, I think it’s about time he update his books and kindly remove himself from the ultra-low-fat-plant-based crowd. ;)

    • http://www.livinlavidalowcarb.com Jimmy Moore

      Ha ha! True dat Denise. Your brilliant response to this study was spot-on with all the dirty nerdy number stuff you are a genius at producing. Thanks so much. Looking forward to sharing my interview with you later this month.

  • Mr. Obie

    I’m so sorry for people who just read the headlines and/or summaries of health studies. The sad things is that some (perhaps most) of these studies are just skewed. The variables usually aren’t as good as can be. Why even bother with these studies when the control group has bad control? I still don’t get it. Bad science, I must say.

    Bottom-line – we are different, with different metabolic needs – from macro-nutrients to micro-nutrients. Mammals don’t all have the same metabolic needs. That’s why cows eat grass and lions eat cows. Find out your personalized need, stick to it, and adjust accordingly. Quit following through with the “health” section of the nightly news.

    One man’s food is another man’s poison

    Mr. Obie

  • http://nerdsafari.com Bob Kaplan

    I threw in my $0.02 and tried to compile a list of all the relevant blogs/sites out there critiquing the study. Seems like we’re going to have to rely more and more on people like yourself, Jimmy, who stand-in for the peer-reviewers and editors of these medical and scientific journals who appear to be asleep at the wheel.

    Here is my post, if you’re interested: http://su.pr/A8w8nG

    and a short summary of some of the links (some of which you provided above, as well):

    Denise Minger: http://su.pr/1Y3KJF (Are Low-Carb Meat Eaters in Trouble?):

    “Whoever decided to call this study “low carbohydrate” is nuttier than a squirrel turd.”

    Tom Naughton: http://su.pr/1KldxF (The ‘Atkins’ Study according to Ornish):

    “I’ve got to hand it to you, Dr. Ornish … most anti-fat hysterics manage to write at least a paragraph or two before they start misconstruing the facts. But you told a whopper right there in the headline. The Atkins Diet? Say what?”

    Chris Masterjohn: http://su.pr/28FjzY (Lying about Burger intake Prevents Disease…):

    “If we pretend [the steps to the scientific method] is a map and pay close attention to the arrows, we can see why the approach of this study is a bit like trying to travel from California to Virginia by going west. You’re going to get pretty wet.”

    Fred Hahn: http://su.pr/1IwBLJ (”Medium and High Carbohydrate Diets and All-Cause Mortality”)

    “We, as lay people, rely on physicians, scientists and experts that can accurately read and assess scientific papers for the betterment of our health and well being. At the very least we assume that they can and will without bias.”

    • http://www.livinlavidalowcarb.com Jimmy Moore

      Thanks for the recap, Bob! I really appreciate it. :)

  • http://truthaboutheartdisease.org Lois

    Hi Jimmy,

    Did you know about this?

    August 20 Ornish, Pritikin Cleared for Medicare Payment: Medicare will pay for intensive diet and exercise programs developed under the Ornish and Pritikin brands for reducing cardiovascular event risk, the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services announced.

    The agency’s review of published data on the Ornish and Pritikin intensive cardiac rehabilitation programs found that they effectively slowed or reversed progression of coronary heart disease and reduce the need for coronary artery bypass grafts (CABG) and percutaneous interventions.

    Consequently, they are approved for coverage under Part B of Medicare, CMS said. Legislation that went into effect this year established a new benefit for intensive cardiac rehabilitation programs. Because Medicare will make these programs available to all beneficiaries regardless of income, it expects the decision will “reduce the disparate impact of heart disease in minority populations. http://www.diabetesincontrol.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=9725&catid=1&Itemid=8

    Just imagine how many people that adds as patients.

    • http://www.livinlavidalowcarb.com Jimmy Moore

      Yep, I recently mentioned this in this blog post.