Comments on: Low-Carb Diet Secret Weapons: MCT Gold And Coconut Oil http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/low-carb-diet-secret-weapons-mct-gold-and-coconut-oil/4211 To educate, encourage, and inspire the world to start low-carb living Fri, 10 Feb 2012 01:39:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: Ted Hutchinson http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/low-carb-diet-secret-weapons-mct-gold-and-coconut-oil/4211#comment-15435 Ted Hutchinson Wed, 08 Apr 2009 20:49:01 +0000 http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/?p=4211#comment-15435 <a href="http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1779080" rel="nofollow">Fatty liver and medium chain triglyceride (MCT) diet.</a> This 12yr old epileptic boy was a particularly disabled child and I really don't think we should read too much into one isolated exception to the normal. It is also worth mentioning, at that time, it is possible the child was on a ketogenic diet with 60% possibly even as much as 75% of energy from MCT see <a href="http://site.matthewsfriends.org/uploads/pdf/ClassicaMCTDiets.pdf" rel="nofollow">TYPES OF KETOGENIC DIET. </a> While it may be necessary and desirable to take that level of MCT to prevent epileptic fits I do not that that is what you or anyone else here are doing. Therefore, I think it is wrong to extrapolate from this one particular extreme example and imply the general use of MCT and/or coconut oil most normal adults use in conjunction with a low carb diet, may exacerbate NAFLD. Indeed this <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17219068" rel="nofollow">The effect of a low-carbohydrate, ketogenic diet on nonalcoholic fatty liver disease</a> shows a low carb ketogenic diet leads to improvement in NAFLD and there are other examples of MCT actually being used to treat NAFLD. I am sure most readers here will be aware of the potential for <a>Water Intoxication</a> but that does not stop us recommending regular water consumption may aid a Low Carbohydrate diet. Fatty liver and medium chain triglyceride (MCT) diet. This 12yr old epileptic boy was a particularly disabled child and I really don’t think we should read too much into one isolated exception to the normal.

It is also worth mentioning, at that time, it is possible the child was on a ketogenic diet with 60% possibly even as much as 75% of energy from MCT see TYPES OF KETOGENIC DIET.

While it may be necessary and desirable to take that level of MCT to prevent epileptic fits I do not that that is what you or anyone else here are doing. Therefore, I think it is wrong to extrapolate from this one particular extreme example and imply the general use of MCT and/or coconut oil most normal adults use in conjunction with a low carb diet, may exacerbate NAFLD.
Indeed this
The effect of a low-carbohydrate, ketogenic diet on nonalcoholic fatty liver disease shows a low carb ketogenic diet leads to improvement in NAFLD and there are other examples of MCT actually being used to treat NAFLD.
I am sure most readers here will be aware of the potential for Water Intoxication but that does not stop us recommending regular water consumption may aid a Low Carbohydrate diet.

]]> By: Paula http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/low-carb-diet-secret-weapons-mct-gold-and-coconut-oil/4211#comment-15235 Paula Sat, 04 Apr 2009 06:03:20 +0000 http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/?p=4211#comment-15235 Jimmy, I wish your would stop the gratuitous, all caps "THANKS" re the comments. It shouts. And, it's especially annoying when you are answering comments with which you don't agree. Regarding MCT Gold and Coconut Oil, I think Pooti is trying to save you from exposure to practicing medicine without a degree. You're very quick to present a supposition as a fact--just as you accuse the anti-fat folks of doing. I see Tim Naughton doing the same thing on his new blog. It would better serve the low-carbers if each assertion were backed up by the relevent studies. As it is, all you guys are quoting each other. You keep saying that your lipids are spectacular, but even Dr. Davis, who supports the particle size LDL distinction, would say that your LDL is way too high. Do you have your head in the sand about this? Before you start, I agree that your lipids are probably much better than they were when you weighed over 400 pounds. <i>Paula, I appreciate your comments. On the issue of using THANKS, that's something I've done for years and is nothing more than putting the emphasis on the word that means the most. Don't read into my use of it as anything more than sincere gratitude to the people who read and comment on my blog. That's all it is, my friend. As for practicing medicine without a degree, I don't ever pretend to give anyone medical advice. You can read my clearly displayed <a href=http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/?page_id=2483 rel="nofollow">Disclaimer</a> for yourself and see that I clearly tell people who I am and what this blog and all my affiliated sites are about. If people choose to use the information I provide to better themselves, then that's great. If they choose not to use the information I provide, I don't mind either. It's what a blog is all about. Paula, I'm not sure what blog you are reading, but I often name the research and studies here at LLVLC that back up what I say and will actually be including much of it in my new book as well. Is there something bothering you about the way I run my blog? You have every right in the world to start your own blog if you think me and Tom Naughton aren't doing it good enough for your tastes. The more voices, the merrier. As for having my head in the sand on my LDL, it's true Dr. William Davis and even Dr. Michael Ozner both noted that my LDL particle number was high in their medical opinion. But my low-carb physician Dr. Eric Westman along with other low-carb health experts I know like Dr. Mary C. Vernon, Dr. James E. Carlson, Dr. Jeff Volek, Dr. Richard Feinman, Dr. Jay Wortman, and many others I could list here all say my NMR Lipoprofile test results showing the Small LDL-P as a mere 30 is indeed stellar. That's a fact. I appreciate your comments, Paula, but it sounds like you have a lot of personal issues against me for some reason that defies logic or reason. I don't know you and you don't know me, so what's with all the angry interrogation and snarky attitude? My job here is merely to offer information rooted in personal experience to help people in their own journey to better health. Why are you so opposed to something as noble as this? --Jimmy</i> Jimmy,
I wish your would stop the gratuitous, all caps “THANKS” re the comments. It shouts. And, it’s especially annoying when you are answering comments with which you don’t agree.

Regarding MCT Gold and Coconut Oil, I think Pooti is trying to save you from exposure to practicing medicine without a degree. You’re very quick to present a supposition as a fact–just as you accuse the anti-fat folks of doing. I see Tim Naughton doing the same thing on his new blog. It would better serve the low-carbers if each assertion were backed up by the relevent studies. As it is, all you guys are quoting each other.

You keep saying that your lipids are spectacular, but even Dr. Davis, who supports the particle size LDL distinction, would say that your LDL is way too high. Do you have your head in the sand about this?

Before you start, I agree that your lipids are probably much better than they were when you weighed over 400 pounds.

Paula, I appreciate your comments. On the issue of using THANKS, that’s something I’ve done for years and is nothing more than putting the emphasis on the word that means the most. Don’t read into my use of it as anything more than sincere gratitude to the people who read and comment on my blog. That’s all it is, my friend.

As for practicing medicine without a degree, I don’t ever pretend to give anyone medical advice. You can read my clearly displayed Disclaimer for yourself and see that I clearly tell people who I am and what this blog and all my affiliated sites are about. If people choose to use the information I provide to better themselves, then that’s great. If they choose not to use the information I provide, I don’t mind either. It’s what a blog is all about.

Paula, I’m not sure what blog you are reading, but I often name the research and studies here at LLVLC that back up what I say and will actually be including much of it in my new book as well. Is there something bothering you about the way I run my blog? You have every right in the world to start your own blog if you think me and Tom Naughton aren’t doing it good enough for your tastes. The more voices, the merrier.

As for having my head in the sand on my LDL, it’s true Dr. William Davis and even Dr. Michael Ozner both noted that my LDL particle number was high in their medical opinion. But my low-carb physician Dr. Eric Westman along with other low-carb health experts I know like Dr. Mary C. Vernon, Dr. James E. Carlson, Dr. Jeff Volek, Dr. Richard Feinman, Dr. Jay Wortman, and many others I could list here all say my NMR Lipoprofile test results showing the Small LDL-P as a mere 30 is indeed stellar. That’s a fact.

I appreciate your comments, Paula, but it sounds like you have a lot of personal issues against me for some reason that defies logic or reason. I don’t know you and you don’t know me, so what’s with all the angry interrogation and snarky attitude? My job here is merely to offer information rooted in personal experience to help people in their own journey to better health. Why are you so opposed to something as noble as this?

–Jimmy

]]> By: pooti http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/low-carb-diet-secret-weapons-mct-gold-and-coconut-oil/4211#comment-15225 pooti Sat, 04 Apr 2009 00:35:54 +0000 http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/?p=4211#comment-15225 Donny this last link shows the complete study. You have to scroll down past the ads to get to the study. It is also an MCT study and also mentions coconut oil. http://www.medscape.com/viewprogram/4837_pnt Donny this last link shows the complete study. You have to scroll down past the ads to get to the study. It is also an MCT study and also mentions coconut oil.

http://www.medscape.com/viewprogram/4837_pnt

]]> By: Holly http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/low-carb-diet-secret-weapons-mct-gold-and-coconut-oil/4211#comment-15218 Holly Fri, 03 Apr 2009 20:49:22 +0000 http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/?p=4211#comment-15218 I use coconut in cooking but I also use it as a moisturizer - and it heals cuts quickly. I've even had it dissolve a wart in 3 days. I *LOVE* coconut oil. I use coconut in cooking but I also use it as a moisturizer – and it heals cuts quickly. I’ve even had it dissolve a wart in 3 days. I *LOVE* coconut oil.

]]> By: donny http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/low-carb-diet-secret-weapons-mct-gold-and-coconut-oil/4211#comment-15217 donny Fri, 03 Apr 2009 20:36:09 +0000 http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/?p=4211#comment-15217 Abstract: A boy 12 years old with intractable epilepsy developed fatty infiltration of the liver after 3 years of treatment on a medium-chain triglyceride (MCT) diet. This was not associated with any hepatic dysfunction and resolved after discontinuing the diet. Of 4 other patients on the same diet 3 had evidence of hepatic steatosis. This is one of the studies. The other one still isn't posting. No mention of coconut oil here; this is described as an MCT diet. Probably derived from coconut. Does the other article (it still doesn't show) use MCT derived from coconut oil, or coconut oil itself? Dr Michael Eades wrote a while back about saturated fat actually protecting the liver from alcohol-induced fatty liver. Maybe some of the fat in the coconut oil that isn't MCT plays a similar role. Alcohol breaks down to acetone, and that's a ketone, right? So I think it's a reasonable possibility to consider. Traditional groups that have coconut as a major source of calories aren't famous for their fatty livers. Abstract:
A boy 12 years old with intractable epilepsy developed fatty infiltration of the liver after 3 years of treatment on a medium-chain triglyceride (MCT) diet. This was not associated with any hepatic dysfunction and resolved after discontinuing the diet. Of 4 other patients on the same diet 3 had evidence of hepatic steatosis.

This is one of the studies. The other one still isn’t posting. No mention of coconut oil here; this is described as an MCT diet. Probably derived from coconut. Does the other article (it still doesn’t show) use MCT derived from coconut oil, or coconut oil itself?
Dr Michael Eades wrote a while back about saturated fat actually protecting the liver from alcohol-induced fatty liver. Maybe some of the fat in the coconut oil that isn’t MCT plays a similar role. Alcohol breaks down to acetone, and that’s a ketone, right? So I think it’s a reasonable possibility to consider. Traditional groups that have coconut as a major source of calories aren’t famous for their fatty livers.

]]> By: pooti http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/low-carb-diet-secret-weapons-mct-gold-and-coconut-oil/4211#comment-15212 pooti Fri, 03 Apr 2009 18:05:39 +0000 http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/?p=4211#comment-15212 Jimmy that first link didn't show the article. I hope this link will work better. http://www.medscape.com/viewprogram/4837_pnt <i>THANKS again, Pooti! --Jimmy</i> Jimmy that first link didn’t show the article. I hope this link will work better.

http://www.medscape.com/viewprogram/4837_pnt

THANKS again, Pooti!

–Jimmy

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