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	<title>Comments on: &#8216;Livin&#8217; La Vida Low-Carb Show&#8217; Episode 32: Feasting On Them Tasty Vegans</title>
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		<title>By: hans</title>
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		<description>Hello,
I have changed my low carb diet two months ago to a vegan diet, and , yes, i lost about 10 lbs, but hav ebeen feeling a lot more tired and started to get concerned about that. i recently had a full check up with my naturopath and did my blood levels and it showed that my liver enzymes are better on this diet, no fried foods, no eggs , no dairy, however, my iron levels are too low, hence feeling tired, my cholesterol has always been good, 168, but now the healthy cholesterol is too low and the ratio is off, not enaugh omega 3 on the vegan diet, also I lost muscle tone, my butt has almost completely disappeared ( I am female , btw ) and despite doing yoga regularly and lifting weights, without enaugh protein my body just feels weaker. I don&#039;t like it. The good thing is, I won&#039;t go back to dairy, but I will add fish and chicken and occasionally a steak, possibly organic and grass fed, but vegan is definitely not for me.</description>
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I have changed my low carb diet two months ago to a vegan diet, and , yes, i lost about 10 lbs, but hav ebeen feeling a lot more tired and started to get concerned about that. i recently had a full check up with my naturopath and did my blood levels and it showed that my liver enzymes are better on this diet, no fried foods, no eggs , no dairy, however, my iron levels are too low, hence feeling tired, my cholesterol has always been good, 168, but now the healthy cholesterol is too low and the ratio is off, not enaugh omega 3 on the vegan diet, also I lost muscle tone, my butt has almost completely disappeared ( I am female , btw ) and despite doing yoga regularly and lifting weights, without enaugh protein my body just feels weaker. I don&#8217;t like it. The good thing is, I won&#8217;t go back to dairy, but I will add fish and chicken and occasionally a steak, possibly organic and grass fed, but vegan is definitely not for me.</p>
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		<title>By: vegan humility</title>
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		<dc:creator>vegan humility</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 15:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>soy, walnuts, pumpkin seeds, butternuts, brazil nuts, lots of other nuts/seeds etc - it&#039;s possible to do a low carb AND vegan diet. it&#039;s just a little bit more difficult since shops don&#039;t cater for it. i found all of those foods within a few seconds on http://www.nutritiondata.com.
ethically killing animals for food is wrong, we are the supreme beings on this planet and we do things which aren&#039;t natural every day because they advance humanity. not eating animals is something we can do which isn&#039;t entirely natural, but would be an advancement of our culture.
we are in a position where we can be more compassionate than we have historically. being co-operative will become more prominent in the future as the fallacy of individual units all competing ala game theory is unfolding via the current capitalism crisis. darwin wins - that is, we are evolving. a machine can do far more than a bunch of cogs.
historically we ate a lot less animals - at the very least we shouldn&#039;t eat so many of them.
low carb is a valid and effective approach to weight loss but it&#039;s not the only approach that works.
below is a clinical study finding that non-meat eaters are thinner than meat-eaters:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9622343
of course i could probably find you a study that found bacon roly poly eaters were thinner than everyone too, most people misunderstand how scientific studies really work, including doctors and scientists. they should be approached with skeptism rather than blind faith so lets look at it with common sense - how many fat vegans do you know?
if you google &quot;are vitamin supplements good for you&quot; most of the pages are news articles saying taking vitamin suppliments make you die younger. further digging reveals that these news articles are about mega-dose of specific antioxidant vitamins and not your daily multivitamin. that&#039;s an example of the media distorting information.
if you google for information about &quot;veganism is healthy&quot; and other queries a lot of the results are media stories about children becoming ill on a vegan diet. if you dig further into these stories you will find that the children were not fed a nutritionally balanced diet and almost 100% of the time didn&#039;t eat enough protein. the media preferred to be sensationalist about it to stir up controversy by not pointing this out or reponsibly providing information to vegan parents on how to add enough protein to their kids diet. perhaps it would have lowered their ratings or reduced their time available for drinking beer and fiddling with their scrotums.
those stories are about malnutrition - if you fed a kid on nothing but beef they would die too, albeit more slowly since beef contains protein.  the parents were very irresponsible and no doubt there are a lot of other intellectually challenged vegans in the world starving their kids so it was right of the media to draw attention to it, but wrong they way they did it.
bottom line - there are adequate rebuttals for all your anti vegan points there. oh, full disclosure: i&#039;m not a vegan :)
&lt;i&gt;THANKS for your comments!  But I&#039;m not opposed to anyone doing a vegan low-carb diet if they want...it&#039;s just that they are missing out on good nutrition from consuming animal fat and protein.
--Jimmy&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>soy, walnuts, pumpkin seeds, butternuts, brazil nuts, lots of other nuts/seeds etc &#8211; it&#8217;s possible to do a low carb AND vegan diet. it&#8217;s just a little bit more difficult since shops don&#8217;t cater for it. i found all of those foods within a few seconds on <a href="http://www.nutritiondata.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.nutritiondata.com</a>.</p>
<p>ethically killing animals for food is wrong, we are the supreme beings on this planet and we do things which aren&#8217;t natural every day because they advance humanity. not eating animals is something we can do which isn&#8217;t entirely natural, but would be an advancement of our culture.</p>
<p>we are in a position where we can be more compassionate than we have historically. being co-operative will become more prominent in the future as the fallacy of individual units all competing ala game theory is unfolding via the current capitalism crisis. darwin wins &#8211; that is, we are evolving. a machine can do far more than a bunch of cogs.</p>
<p>historically we ate a lot less animals &#8211; at the very least we shouldn&#8217;t eat so many of them.</p>
<p>low carb is a valid and effective approach to weight loss but it&#8217;s not the only approach that works.</p>
<p>below is a clinical study finding that non-meat eaters are thinner than meat-eaters:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9622343" rel="nofollow">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9622343</a></p>
<p>of course i could probably find you a study that found bacon roly poly eaters were thinner than everyone too, most people misunderstand how scientific studies really work, including doctors and scientists. they should be approached with skeptism rather than blind faith so lets look at it with common sense &#8211; how many fat vegans do you know?</p>
<p>if you google &#8220;are vitamin supplements good for you&#8221; most of the pages are news articles saying taking vitamin suppliments make you die younger. further digging reveals that these news articles are about mega-dose of specific antioxidant vitamins and not your daily multivitamin. that&#8217;s an example of the media distorting information.</p>
<p>if you google for information about &#8220;veganism is healthy&#8221; and other queries a lot of the results are media stories about children becoming ill on a vegan diet. if you dig further into these stories you will find that the children were not fed a nutritionally balanced diet and almost 100% of the time didn&#8217;t eat enough protein. the media preferred to be sensationalist about it to stir up controversy by not pointing this out or reponsibly providing information to vegan parents on how to add enough protein to their kids diet. perhaps it would have lowered their ratings or reduced their time available for drinking beer and fiddling with their scrotums.</p>
<p>those stories are about malnutrition &#8211; if you fed a kid on nothing but beef they would die too, albeit more slowly since beef contains protein.  the parents were very irresponsible and no doubt there are a lot of other intellectually challenged vegans in the world starving their kids so it was right of the media to draw attention to it, but wrong they way they did it.</p>
<p>bottom line &#8211; there are adequate rebuttals for all your anti vegan points there. oh, full disclosure: i&#8217;m not a vegan <img src='http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><i>THANKS for your comments!  But I&#8217;m not opposed to anyone doing a vegan low-carb diet if they want&#8230;it&#8217;s just that they are missing out on good nutrition from consuming animal fat and protein.  </p>
<p>&#8211;Jimmy</i></p>
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		<title>By: Science4u1959</title>
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		<dc:creator>Science4u1959</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 04:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ahavah bat sarah: you just hit the nail on the head, so to speak! I heard all these so-called vegan arguments before, too, and they are absolutely looney: indeed there is no way we could sustain a civilization without animal products. There is simply not enough land (let alone other natural resources) to feed everybody from veggies alone. We would all be starving if these people had their way. Not to mention the already proven and well-documented detrimental effects it would have on health.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The most horrible, however, I find radical groups like PETA. Did you know that PETA is directly responsible (and admitted to it!) for the &lt;i&gt;killing&lt;/i&gt; of tens of thousands of animals? That&#039;s PETA&#039;s dirty little secret, isn&#039;t it - that&#039;s something our friends in the media hardly ever report on. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If the People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) were ever to reach its goal and impose &quot;total animal liberation&quot; on the rest of us, meat and dairy foods would become things of the past. The same goes for zoos, aquariums, rodeos, circuses, hunting, fishing, leather, wool, silk, and even lifesaving medical research that requires the use of lab rats.&lt;br/&gt;Hypocrisy is the mother of all credibility problems, and People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) has it in spades. While loudly complaining about the &quot;unethical&quot; treatment of animals by restaurant owners, grocers, farmers, scientists, anglers, and countless other Americans, the group has its own dirty little secret.&lt;br/&gt; &lt;br/&gt;Since 1998, PETA--whose many tasteless campaigns included one telling young children (including a very graphic, tasteless poster) that &quot;Your Mommy Kills Animals&quot;--has killed thousands of animals at its Virginia headquarters, rather than spending a portion of its enormous multi-million-dollar annual budget actually caring for them.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;For example, from July 1998 through the end of 2003 alone, PETA killed over 10,000 dogs, cats, and other &quot;companion animals&quot; at its Norfolk, Virginia headquarters. That&#039;s more than five defenseless animals every day. Not counting the dogs and cats PETA spayed and neutered, the group put to death over 85 percent of the animals it took in during 2003 alone. And its angel-of-death pattern shows no sign of changing.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Mind you, these are their own official figures!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;On its 2002 federal income-tax return, PETA claimed a $9,370 write-off for a giant walk-in freezer, the kind most people use as a meat locker or for ice-cream storage. But animal-rights activists don&#039;t eat meat or dairy foods. So far, the group hasn&#039;t confirmed the obvious, namely that it&#039;s using the appliance to store the bodies of its victims.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In 2000, when the Associated Press first noted PETA&#039;s Kervorkian-esque tendencies, PETA president Ingrid Newkirk complained that actually taking care of animals costs more than killing them. &quot;We could become a no-kill shelter immediately,&quot; she admitted.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So indeed, by their own admission, PETA kills animals. Because it has other financial priorities.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;PETA enjoys over $29 million in annual income, much of it raised from pet owners who think their donations actually help animals. Instead, the group spends huge sums on programs equating people who eat chicken with Nazis, scaring young children away from drinking milk, recruiting children into the radical animal-rights lifestyle, and intimidating businessmen and their families in their own neighborhoods. PETA has also spent tens of thousands of dollars defending arsonists and other violent extremists.&lt;br/&gt;PETA claims it engages in outrageous media-seeking stunts &quot;for the animals.&quot; But which animals? Carping about the value of future two-piece dinners while administering lethal injections to puppies and kittens isn&#039;t ethical. It&#039;s hypocritical--with a death toll that PETA would protest if it weren&#039;t their own doing.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;PETA kills animals, while its leaders dare to lecture the rest of us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ahavah bat sarah: you just hit the nail on the head, so to speak! I heard all these so-called vegan arguments before, too, and they are absolutely looney: indeed there is no way we could sustain a civilization without animal products. There is simply not enough land (let alone other natural resources) to feed everybody from veggies alone. We would all be starving if these people had their way. Not to mention the already proven and well-documented detrimental effects it would have on health.</p>
<p>The most horrible, however, I find radical groups like PETA. Did you know that PETA is directly responsible (and admitted to it!) for the <i>killing</i> of tens of thousands of animals? That&#8217;s PETA&#8217;s dirty little secret, isn&#8217;t it &#8211; that&#8217;s something our friends in the media hardly ever report on. </p>
<p>If the People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) were ever to reach its goal and impose &#8220;total animal liberation&#8221; on the rest of us, meat and dairy foods would become things of the past. The same goes for zoos, aquariums, rodeos, circuses, hunting, fishing, leather, wool, silk, and even lifesaving medical research that requires the use of lab rats.<br />Hypocrisy is the mother of all credibility problems, and People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) has it in spades. While loudly complaining about the &#8220;unethical&#8221; treatment of animals by restaurant owners, grocers, farmers, scientists, anglers, and countless other Americans, the group has its own dirty little secret.</p>
<p>Since 1998, PETA&#8211;whose many tasteless campaigns included one telling young children (including a very graphic, tasteless poster) that &#8220;Your Mommy Kills Animals&#8221;&#8211;has killed thousands of animals at its Virginia headquarters, rather than spending a portion of its enormous multi-million-dollar annual budget actually caring for them.</p>
<p>For example, from July 1998 through the end of 2003 alone, PETA killed over 10,000 dogs, cats, and other &#8220;companion animals&#8221; at its Norfolk, Virginia headquarters. That&#8217;s more than five defenseless animals every day. Not counting the dogs and cats PETA spayed and neutered, the group put to death over 85 percent of the animals it took in during 2003 alone. And its angel-of-death pattern shows no sign of changing.</p>
<p>Mind you, these are their own official figures!</p>
<p>On its 2002 federal income-tax return, PETA claimed a $9,370 write-off for a giant walk-in freezer, the kind most people use as a meat locker or for ice-cream storage. But animal-rights activists don&#8217;t eat meat or dairy foods. So far, the group hasn&#8217;t confirmed the obvious, namely that it&#8217;s using the appliance to store the bodies of its victims.</p>
<p>In 2000, when the Associated Press first noted PETA&#8217;s Kervorkian-esque tendencies, PETA president Ingrid Newkirk complained that actually taking care of animals costs more than killing them. &#8220;We could become a no-kill shelter immediately,&#8221; she admitted.</p>
<p>So indeed, by their own admission, PETA kills animals. Because it has other financial priorities.</p>
<p>PETA enjoys over $29 million in annual income, much of it raised from pet owners who think their donations actually help animals. Instead, the group spends huge sums on programs equating people who eat chicken with Nazis, scaring young children away from drinking milk, recruiting children into the radical animal-rights lifestyle, and intimidating businessmen and their families in their own neighborhoods. PETA has also spent tens of thousands of dollars defending arsonists and other violent extremists.<br />PETA claims it engages in outrageous media-seeking stunts &#8220;for the animals.&#8221; But which animals? Carping about the value of future two-piece dinners while administering lethal injections to puppies and kittens isn&#8217;t ethical. It&#8217;s hypocritical&#8211;with a death toll that PETA would protest if it weren&#8217;t their own doing.</p>
<p>PETA kills animals, while its leaders dare to lecture the rest of us.</p>
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		<title>By: Ahavah bat Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahavah bat Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 19:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What you&#039;ll get is a bunch of people telling you that if only everyone would become vegetarian, hunger would disappear from this planet because it takes more vegetation to feed animals than it does to feed humans, or some such.  But the reality is that this paradigm only works in a world where petrochemical products are cheap and unsustainable giant agri-business does all the farming. For sustainable farming, animal inputs of manure and such are indispensable, and the animals can eat the cover-crops needful for soil replenishment.  Usually, these are not suitable for humans.  And one other thing:  in real life, most land is not arable in many parts of the world, and the only way you&#039;re going to get a reliable food source from those lands is to have some goat eat all the useless scrub and weeds and then you eat the goat. You never hear about that vegetarians or vegans.  They imagine commercial factory farming can solve every problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What you&#8217;ll get is a bunch of people telling you that if only everyone would become vegetarian, hunger would disappear from this planet because it takes more vegetation to feed animals than it does to feed humans, or some such.  But the reality is that this paradigm only works in a world where petrochemical products are cheap and unsustainable giant agri-business does all the farming. For sustainable farming, animal inputs of manure and such are indispensable, and the animals can eat the cover-crops needful for soil replenishment.  Usually, these are not suitable for humans.  And one other thing:  in real life, most land is not arable in many parts of the world, and the only way you&#8217;re going to get a reliable food source from those lands is to have some goat eat all the useless scrub and weeds and then you eat the goat. You never hear about that vegetarians or vegans.  They imagine commercial factory farming can solve every problem.</p>
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		<title>By: The Bunnell Farm</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Bunnell Farm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 17:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most Vegan&#039;s believe that eating animal flesh is both barbaric and unhealthy. Yet they eat mostly nothing but babies and see nothing wrong with that. Tom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most Vegan&#8217;s believe that eating animal flesh is both barbaric and unhealthy. Yet they eat mostly nothing but babies and see nothing wrong with that. Tom</p>
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