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	<title>Comments on: Dubious Cardiologists Low-Fat Survey Is Cloak For Radical Anti-Meat Group</title>
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		<title>By: Science4u1959</title>
		<link>http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/dubious-cardiologists-low-fat-survey-is-cloak-for-radical-anti-meat-group/663#comment-1136</link>
		<dc:creator>Science4u1959</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With all due respect, I think it&#039;s far more extreme to provide people with misleading and downright false nutritional information without a shred of (true) scientific information. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Like I said before to one of your vegan friends on this blog: we are happy you are happy to be a vegan. I truly hope you will live to be 150 and prove us all wrong. Have some soy nuts on me. But please dont give us this kind of information. Not because we are close-minded, but because we are aware of REAL scientific information, not PETA or other worthless propaganda. Because that&#039;s what it is. Don&#039;t believe in it, for your own sake. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The human body and -metabolism is designed as a omnivore, and no amount of soy beans can change that. It&#039;s just a scientific fact. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;We like to follow the very diet (if you want, call it a Paleo-diet) that humanity grew up, survived, and thrived on. Why? Because that&#039;s the truly natural and truly healthy diet - another one of those annoying scientific facts.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Yes, it involves meat too, and fish, fowl, and eggs, among lots of delicious vegetables, fruits, and other selected, healthy, carbohydrates. But indeed also proteins of animal origin, simply because it contains valuable and essential macronutrients to the human body, nutrients that cannot be replaced with anything else. Again, that&#039;s a simple, irrifutable scientific fact. It may be easy to fool some of the unsuspecting public, but one cannot fool mother Nature. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Of course nobody really wants animals to suffer, and if it was possible to get meat without killing animals, indeed nobody would kill them. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So here&#039;s my challenge to you. If you can show me scientific studies (REAL scientific studies, and not imbecilic PETA propaganda or uncorrelated epidemiological assumptions) that shows conclusive scientific proof that meat is absolutely unnecessary, I will cook my hat and eat it and forthwith supply you with a lifetime supply of soy nuts. Hopefully you will be wise enough not to consume the nasty things, because those irritating people called scientists have proved them to be extremely unhealthy for any species they are fed to. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But for as long as you cannot provide that proof, and I am sure you cannot, you are the real extremist for not giving a flying hoot about the wellbeing of your fellow humans by giving them one-sided, unfounded, misleading and downright false nutritional information, let alone proper dietary advice. The same goes for your friends on those websites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all due respect, I think it&#8217;s far more extreme to provide people with misleading and downright false nutritional information without a shred of (true) scientific information. </p>
<p>Like I said before to one of your vegan friends on this blog: we are happy you are happy to be a vegan. I truly hope you will live to be 150 and prove us all wrong. Have some soy nuts on me. But please dont give us this kind of information. Not because we are close-minded, but because we are aware of REAL scientific information, not PETA or other worthless propaganda. Because that&#8217;s what it is. Don&#8217;t believe in it, for your own sake. </p>
<p>The human body and -metabolism is designed as a omnivore, and no amount of soy beans can change that. It&#8217;s just a scientific fact. </p>
<p>We like to follow the very diet (if you want, call it a Paleo-diet) that humanity grew up, survived, and thrived on. Why? Because that&#8217;s the truly natural and truly healthy diet &#8211; another one of those annoying scientific facts.</p>
<p>Yes, it involves meat too, and fish, fowl, and eggs, among lots of delicious vegetables, fruits, and other selected, healthy, carbohydrates. But indeed also proteins of animal origin, simply because it contains valuable and essential macronutrients to the human body, nutrients that cannot be replaced with anything else. Again, that&#8217;s a simple, irrifutable scientific fact. It may be easy to fool some of the unsuspecting public, but one cannot fool mother Nature. </p>
<p>Of course nobody really wants animals to suffer, and if it was possible to get meat without killing animals, indeed nobody would kill them. </p>
<p>So here&#8217;s my challenge to you. If you can show me scientific studies (REAL scientific studies, and not imbecilic PETA propaganda or uncorrelated epidemiological assumptions) that shows conclusive scientific proof that meat is absolutely unnecessary, I will cook my hat and eat it and forthwith supply you with a lifetime supply of soy nuts. Hopefully you will be wise enough not to consume the nasty things, because those irritating people called scientists have proved them to be extremely unhealthy for any species they are fed to. </p>
<p>But for as long as you cannot provide that proof, and I am sure you cannot, you are the real extremist for not giving a flying hoot about the wellbeing of your fellow humans by giving them one-sided, unfounded, misleading and downright false nutritional information, let alone proper dietary advice. The same goes for your friends on those websites.</p>
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		<title>By: BlueButterfly</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2006 01:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You really should check out MeetYourMeat.com&lt;br/&gt;and&lt;br/&gt;TryVeg.com&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I think it&#039;s more extreme to slice someone to pieces and eat their corpse than to care about them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You really should check out MeetYourMeat.com<br />and<br />TryVeg.com</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s more extreme to slice someone to pieces and eat their corpse than to care about them.</p>
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		<title>By: Science4u1959</title>
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		<dc:creator>Science4u1959</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are so right, NewBirth. The truth IS dangerous, but only to those who don&#039;t want to be confronted with it, because it doesn&#039;t underpin their perceptions. Remember the 2nd point in the &quot;art of debunkery&quot; Jimmy wrote recently?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;Don&#039;t bother me with the facts, my mind is made up&quot;. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And finally, also very befitting, number three: &quot;If you cannot attack the data (the truth), attack the people. It is easier.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are so right, NewBirth. The truth IS dangerous, but only to those who don&#8217;t want to be confronted with it, because it doesn&#8217;t underpin their perceptions. Remember the 2nd point in the &#8220;art of debunkery&#8221; Jimmy wrote recently?</p>
<p>&#8220;Don&#8217;t bother me with the facts, my mind is made up&#8221;. </p>
<p>And finally, also very befitting, number three: &#8220;If you cannot attack the data (the truth), attack the people. It is easier.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Newbirth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Newbirth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And yet people mindlessly follow.  One lady...er, woman...who wanted to bash Atkins actually quoted the PCRM as a reputable source to bolster her arguement.  She totally went balistic when I pointed out they were affiliated with PETA.  lol  Some people just can&#039;t handle truth.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;She&#039;s been hitting my blog once or twice every single day, even though she hates me so much that she started an e-mail argument with me and then blocked my e-mail addy!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Some people&#039;s children!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And yet people mindlessly follow.  One lady&#8230;er, woman&#8230;who wanted to bash Atkins actually quoted the PCRM as a reputable source to bolster her arguement.  She totally went balistic when I pointed out they were affiliated with PETA.  lol  Some people just can&#8217;t handle truth.</p>
<p>She&#8217;s been hitting my blog once or twice every single day, even though she hates me so much that she started an e-mail argument with me and then blocked my e-mail addy!</p>
<p>Some people&#8217;s children!</p>
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		<title>By: Science4u1959</title>
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		<dc:creator>Science4u1959</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2006 02:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen, Jimmy!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Nobody should take the PCRM, PETA or Ornish seriously. They are nothing but a bunch of retarded, close-minded fanatics, who will stop at absolutely nothing to coerce their unscientific dietary delusions upon the public.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Not just their delusions, but also their actions are dangerous. In my opinion, these are complete madmen, with the mentality and &quot;morals&quot; of a Nazi Stormtrooper and a IQ to match: about equal to that of one of their beloved potatoes.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;They should have no coverage in the media whatsoever, and should certainly not be part of any (let alone scientific) discussion. They are noisy negativists and despicable terrorists, documented for beating up and threatening researchers and even bombing people&#039;s cars. The FBI has been arresting droves of their cronies and directors, for Pete&#039;s sake!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Why such total idiots still get a free ride and even credibility in the media is completely mind-boggling and really a Godspe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen, Jimmy!</p>
<p>Nobody should take the PCRM, PETA or Ornish seriously. They are nothing but a bunch of retarded, close-minded fanatics, who will stop at absolutely nothing to coerce their unscientific dietary delusions upon the public.</p>
<p>Not just their delusions, but also their actions are dangerous. In my opinion, these are complete madmen, with the mentality and &#8220;morals&#8221; of a Nazi Stormtrooper and a IQ to match: about equal to that of one of their beloved potatoes.</p>
<p>They should have no coverage in the media whatsoever, and should certainly not be part of any (let alone scientific) discussion. They are noisy negativists and despicable terrorists, documented for beating up and threatening researchers and even bombing people&#8217;s cars. The FBI has been arresting droves of their cronies and directors, for Pete&#8217;s sake!</p>
<p>Why such total idiots still get a free ride and even credibility in the media is completely mind-boggling and really a Godspe.</p>
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