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> <channel><title>Comments on: &#8216;Doc&#8217; Describes Me As A &#8216;Dead Man Walking&#8217; Because Of My Elevated LDL Cholesterol</title> <atom:link href="http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/doc-describes-me-as-a-dead-man-walking-because-of-my-elevated-ldl-cholesterol/2435%20/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/doc-describes-me-as-a-dead-man-walking-because-of-my-elevated-ldl-cholesterol/2435</link> <description>To educate, encourage, and inspire the world to start low-carb living</description> <lastBuildDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 00:33:00 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=</generator> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/doc-describes-me-as-a-dead-man-walking-because-of-my-elevated-ldl-cholesterol/2435#comment-9340</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:56:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://livinlavidalowcarb.wordpress.com/2008/07/14/doc-describes-me-as-a-dead-man-walking-because-of-my-elevated-ldl-cholesterol/#comment-9340</guid> <description>Since &quot;Doc&quot; wanted to get personal with Jimmy&#039;s lifestyle, claiming him to be a &quot;dead man walking,&quot; let&#039;s see how the guidelines stack up against Jimmy&#039;s stats:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;Patients with cardiometabolic risk factors represent a group at high lifetime risk for CVD. These patients frequently have dyslipoproteinemia (low HDL cholesterol, increased triglycerides, and/or an increased number of small LDL particles)(WHICH JIMMY DOES NOT HAVE!). We recommend an assessment of global risk followed by a multifactorial risk reduction strategy for such individuals targeting each risk factor and emphasizing both lifestyle (SUCH AS LLVLC?) and pharmacologic therapy. In terms of dyslipoproteinemia (WHICH JIMMY DOESN&#039;T HAVE!), we recommend the following:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;• Statin therapy for the majority of dyslipoproteinemic adult patients with CMR (JIMMY DOESN&#039;T REQUIRE STATIN THERAPY BECAUSE HE DOESN&#039;T HAVE DYSLIPOPROTEINEMIA)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;• For patients with CMR on statin therapy, guiding therapy with measurements of apoB and treatment to apoB goals in addition to LDL cholesterol and non-HDL cholesterol assessments (NOT APPLICABLE TO JIMMY)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;• Treatment goals, summarized in Table 1, that address the high lifetime risk of patients with dyslipoproteinemia and CMR. (NOT APPLICABLE!)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;• Clinical trials to determine whether the pharmacologic therapy required to achieve very low levels of atherogenic lipoproteins is safe and cost-effective (NOTICE THAT &lt;i&gt;AFTER&lt;/i&gt; RECOMMENDING AND GIVING PEOPLE PHARMACOLOGIC THERAPY, THEY THEN WANT TO TEST IT TO SEE &lt;i&gt;WHETHER&lt;/i&gt; IT&#039;S SAFE!!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;• A concerted, multifaceted, public health effort, focused on lifestyle modification (LLVLC??), to reduce mean population levels of atherogenic lipoproteins to values well below current ones.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So, since none of these recommendations would apply to Jimmy, and seeing how even they don&#039;t know how safe their plan is, exactly HOW is Jimmy a &quot;dead man walking&quot;?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since &#8220;Doc&#8221; wanted to get personal with Jimmy&#8217;s lifestyle, claiming him to be a &#8220;dead man walking,&#8221; let&#8217;s see how the guidelines stack up against Jimmy&#8217;s stats:</p><p>&#8220;Patients with cardiometabolic risk factors represent a group at high lifetime risk for CVD. These patients frequently have dyslipoproteinemia (low HDL cholesterol, increased triglycerides, and/or an increased number of small LDL particles)(WHICH JIMMY DOES NOT HAVE!). We recommend an assessment of global risk followed by a multifactorial risk reduction strategy for such individuals targeting each risk factor and emphasizing both lifestyle (SUCH AS LLVLC?) and pharmacologic therapy. In terms of dyslipoproteinemia (WHICH JIMMY DOESN&#8217;T HAVE!), we recommend the following:</p><p>• Statin therapy for the majority of dyslipoproteinemic adult patients with CMR (JIMMY DOESN&#8217;T REQUIRE STATIN THERAPY BECAUSE HE DOESN&#8217;T HAVE DYSLIPOPROTEINEMIA)</p><p>• For patients with CMR on statin therapy, guiding therapy with measurements of apoB and treatment to apoB goals in addition to LDL cholesterol and non-HDL cholesterol assessments (NOT APPLICABLE TO JIMMY)</p><p>• Treatment goals, summarized in Table 1, that address the high lifetime risk of patients with dyslipoproteinemia and CMR. (NOT APPLICABLE!)</p><p>• Clinical trials to determine whether the pharmacologic therapy required to achieve very low levels of atherogenic lipoproteins is safe and cost-effective (NOTICE THAT <i>AFTER</i> RECOMMENDING AND GIVING PEOPLE PHARMACOLOGIC THERAPY, THEY THEN WANT TO TEST IT TO SEE <i>WHETHER</i> IT&#8217;S SAFE!!</p><p>• A concerted, multifaceted, public health effort, focused on lifestyle modification (LLVLC??), to reduce mean population levels of atherogenic lipoproteins to values well below current ones.&#8221;</p><p>So, since none of these recommendations would apply to Jimmy, and seeing how even they don&#8217;t know how safe their plan is, exactly HOW is Jimmy a &#8220;dead man walking&#8221;?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jimmy Moore</title><link>http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/doc-describes-me-as-a-dead-man-walking-because-of-my-elevated-ldl-cholesterol/2435#comment-9339</link> <dc:creator>Jimmy Moore</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:12:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://livinlavidalowcarb.wordpress.com/2008/07/14/doc-describes-me-as-a-dead-man-walking-because-of-my-elevated-ldl-cholesterol/#comment-9339</guid> <description>And your point is, Peter?  By the way, dog food is VERY high in carbs.  NOT HEALTHY!  :P</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And your point is, Peter?  By the way, dog food is VERY high in carbs.  NOT HEALTHY! <img
src='http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/doc-describes-me-as-a-dead-man-walking-because-of-my-elevated-ldl-cholesterol/2435#comment-9338</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:11:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://livinlavidalowcarb.wordpress.com/2008/07/14/doc-describes-me-as-a-dead-man-walking-because-of-my-elevated-ldl-cholesterol/#comment-9338</guid> <description>I have lost 145 pounds eating only dogfood.  My blood markers are excellent, though I have developed a special interest in tennis balls, which I can smell at 20 yards.  I want my friends to throw them for me constantly, and this has cost me a few friends, but maybe how good a friend were they anyway.  I can&#039;t seem to get any dogfood company to sponser me, I suppose they are worried about legal issues, like if I get heartworm or hip displasia, but dogfood is pretty cheap compared to some of the alternatives, which are starting to sound better and better lately.  Peter</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have lost 145 pounds eating only dogfood.  My blood markers are excellent, though I have developed a special interest in tennis balls, which I can smell at 20 yards.  I want my friends to throw them for me constantly, and this has cost me a few friends, but maybe how good a friend were they anyway.  I can&#8217;t seem to get any dogfood company to sponser me, I suppose they are worried about legal issues, like if I get heartworm or hip displasia, but dogfood is pretty cheap compared to some of the alternatives, which are starting to sound better and better lately.  Peter</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Caromora13</title><link>http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/doc-describes-me-as-a-dead-man-walking-because-of-my-elevated-ldl-cholesterol/2435#comment-9337</link> <dc:creator>Caromora13</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 17:49:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://livinlavidalowcarb.wordpress.com/2008/07/14/doc-describes-me-as-a-dead-man-walking-because-of-my-elevated-ldl-cholesterol/#comment-9337</guid> <description>Whoa, Kitty, I take exception to your putdown of &quot;osteopaths!&quot;   &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I worked for many years as a Medical Staff Coordinator in major hospitals.  Part of that job is reviewing credentials for physicians when they first apply to be on staff, as well as monitoring current medical staff&#039;s current medical education, to make sure they keep up with it every year.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Being well acquainted with the medical education and background of both M.D.s and D.O.s, I can assure you that D.O.s have as much as, and often more, education as M.D.s do!  They go to medical schools which are accredited by the very same agency, plus they also do a one-year rotating internship after graduation from medical school, no matter what specialty they are going into.  It is required of all D.O.s to do that internship.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;M.D.s more often do no internship at all, but go straight into residency for their specialty right out of medical school (which gives D.O.s one more year of schooling and a more well-rounded experience, in my opinion).  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;When osteopathic physicians specialize, they learn in the same teaching hospitals, side by side with M.D. graduates.  Do NOT put osteopathic physicians down as non-physicians!  That just shows your ignorance.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I consider D.O.s superior to the average M.D. because, in osteopathic medical schools, their students are taught to take the &quot;whole patient&quot; into consideration...including physical, mental, and psychological health...plus they learn about spinal manipulation and how an aligned spine contributes to the overall health of the patient.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I consider D.O.s to be similar to an M.D. and a chiropractor rolled in one.  Two docs rolled into one, so to speak.  I personally always seek out D.O.s for my personal physicians.  I find them to have much more interest in me as a patient and have a much better bedside manner, as well as to be usually more well-read medically and better informed as to newer treatment options.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;My current PCP is an osteopathic physician who wants me, as a Type 2 diabetic, on a very low carb diet!  I take no diabetic meds at all and my blood sugars are stable...my blood pressure is on the low side.  (I&#039;ve been on low carb since 1997.)  My doc knows the latest about EVERYTHING!  No matter what I read about to take in to her, she&#039;s already read it and can discuss it with me in knowledgeable and usually positive terms.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I would be utterly surprised if this &quot;Doc&quot; who wrote to Jimmy is an &quot;osteopath,&quot; as you so callously and in ignorance suggested.  He sounds to me like a know-it-all medical student still, not yet a doctor at all.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Carol</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoa, Kitty, I take exception to your putdown of &#8220;osteopaths!&#8221;</p><p>I worked for many years as a Medical Staff Coordinator in major hospitals.  Part of that job is reviewing credentials for physicians when they first apply to be on staff, as well as monitoring current medical staff&#8217;s current medical education, to make sure they keep up with it every year.</p><p>Being well acquainted with the medical education and background of both M.D.s and D.O.s, I can assure you that D.O.s have as much as, and often more, education as M.D.s do!  They go to medical schools which are accredited by the very same agency, plus they also do a one-year rotating internship after graduation from medical school, no matter what specialty they are going into.  It is required of all D.O.s to do that internship.</p><p>M.D.s more often do no internship at all, but go straight into residency for their specialty right out of medical school (which gives D.O.s one more year of schooling and a more well-rounded experience, in my opinion).</p><p>When osteopathic physicians specialize, they learn in the same teaching hospitals, side by side with M.D. graduates.  Do NOT put osteopathic physicians down as non-physicians!  That just shows your ignorance.</p><p>I consider D.O.s superior to the average M.D. because, in osteopathic medical schools, their students are taught to take the &#8220;whole patient&#8221; into consideration&#8230;including physical, mental, and psychological health&#8230;plus they learn about spinal manipulation and how an aligned spine contributes to the overall health of the patient.</p><p>I consider D.O.s to be similar to an M.D. and a chiropractor rolled in one.  Two docs rolled into one, so to speak.  I personally always seek out D.O.s for my personal physicians.  I find them to have much more interest in me as a patient and have a much better bedside manner, as well as to be usually more well-read medically and better informed as to newer treatment options.</p><p>My current PCP is an osteopathic physician who wants me, as a Type 2 diabetic, on a very low carb diet!  I take no diabetic meds at all and my blood sugars are stable&#8230;my blood pressure is on the low side.  (I&#8217;ve been on low carb since 1997.)  My doc knows the latest about EVERYTHING!  No matter what I read about to take in to her, she&#8217;s already read it and can discuss it with me in knowledgeable and usually positive terms.</p><p>I would be utterly surprised if this &#8220;Doc&#8221; who wrote to Jimmy is an &#8220;osteopath,&#8221; as you so callously and in ignorance suggested.  He sounds to me like a know-it-all medical student still, not yet a doctor at all.</p><p>Carol</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/doc-describes-me-as-a-dead-man-walking-because-of-my-elevated-ldl-cholesterol/2435#comment-9336</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 15:40:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://livinlavidalowcarb.wordpress.com/2008/07/14/doc-describes-me-as-a-dead-man-walking-because-of-my-elevated-ldl-cholesterol/#comment-9336</guid> <description>&quot;Doc&quot;&#039;s challenge question, &quot;If low HDL-C is always bad, why are their several genetic conditions associated with very low HDL-C and longevity?&quot; also sort of misses the mark. The key word here is &quot;genetic.&quot; We&#039;ve heard of folks who&#039;ve smoked all their lives and lived to be 100; scientists suspect that they are genetically protected from developing cancer. Policy is not generated by the exceptions to the rule. Also, I don&#039;t believe that anyone has necessarily stated that &quot;low LDL-C is so dangerous,&quot; but that high LDL-C levels are &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; dangerous when triglycerides are lowered and HDL-C levels are high because then the LDL-C type is most likely the &quot;fluffy, buffy&quot; type. Sheesh.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Didirina</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Doc&#8221;&#8216;s challenge question, &#8220;If low HDL-C is always bad, why are their several genetic conditions associated with very low HDL-C and longevity?&#8221; also sort of misses the mark. The key word here is &#8220;genetic.&#8221; We&#8217;ve heard of folks who&#8217;ve smoked all their lives and lived to be 100; scientists suspect that they are genetically protected from developing cancer. Policy is not generated by the exceptions to the rule. Also, I don&#8217;t believe that anyone has necessarily stated that &#8220;low LDL-C is so dangerous,&#8221; but that high LDL-C levels are <i>not</i> dangerous when triglycerides are lowered and HDL-C levels are high because then the LDL-C type is most likely the &#8220;fluffy, buffy&#8221; type. Sheesh.</p><p>Didirina</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: =^..^= Kitty =^..^=</title><link>http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/doc-describes-me-as-a-dead-man-walking-because-of-my-elevated-ldl-cholesterol/2435#comment-9335</link> <dc:creator>=^..^= Kitty =^..^=</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 15:19:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://livinlavidalowcarb.wordpress.com/2008/07/14/doc-describes-me-as-a-dead-man-walking-because-of-my-elevated-ldl-cholesterol/#comment-9335</guid> <description>&quot;Doc&quot;, if any kind of doctor, is probably an osteopath, if s/he is a &quot;doctor&quot; at all. A &quot;real&quot; doctor would have signed his/her full name for further contact. This person is a medical &quot;wanna-be.&quot;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Doc&#8221;, if any kind of doctor, is probably an osteopath, if s/he is a &#8220;doctor&#8221; at all. A &#8220;real&#8221; doctor would have signed his/her full name for further contact. This person is a medical &#8220;wanna-be.&#8221;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
