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Did Kansas State Nutrition Professor Dr. Mark Haub Really Go On A Little Debbie Snack Cake Diet?

Think back for a moment about all of the sugary snacks you used to consume prior to beginning your healthy low-carb lifestyle. Yes, I realize it’s a scary thought process but hearken back for a moment to the days when you could put down some of your favorite guilty pleasures. Prior to going on the Atkins diet in January 2004, mine was one thing that is very prevalent in our culture and likely a huge culprit in the current obesity epidemic–Little Debbie snack cakes! For people who are familiar with my story, I have admitted to downing upwards of two boxes of these carbohydrate-laden snack cakes in one sitting on multiple occasions before I beat my sugar/carb addiction for good nearly seven years ago. It was nothing for me to buy 10 boxes of these snack cakes (10 for $10 when I caught them on sale!) and have two boxes of Swiss Cake Rolls, Nutty Buddy, Oatmeal Cakes, Star Crunch and/or Fudge Rounds while watching television. I shudder to think about all that I was consuming in the form of pure unadulterated garbage all those years and there’s no doubt my Little Debbie habit was a major contributor to weighing in excess of 400 pounds.

Christine would put these boxes in the bottom of the refrigerator to get them good and cold so they’d have a nice dense “bite” to them when I put them in my mouth. I could literally just keep on eating and eating these snack cakes like there was no tomorrow because I’d never get full. And sometimes I’d even wash them down with a big tall glass of 2% milk since it was so healthy for me. Yes, I was a nutritional dope at one time, but not anymore. Taking a look at the nutritional label of my favorite Little Debbie snack cake–Swiss Cake Rolls–I can hardly believe I was consuming two boxes of this in one sitting:

Be still my fluttering heart! That was nearly 40g total carbohydrates in each two-cake package, 26 of which was sugar, and I was consuming 12 packages of these in two boxes. Doing the math on that, I was ingesting just in this one sitting upwards of 480 grams of total carbohydrates! Yikes! Again, this doesn’t even count the hundreds of wasted carbs I was ingesting from my addiction to sugar soda that easily pushed my carbohydrate consumption well over 1,000g daily. It’s too scary to even think about anymore. And just take a look at the ingredients in what I was eating:

Sugar, sugar, white flour, trans fats, soy, and God knows what all that other stuff was doing inside of my body. Looking at these cold hard facts about what is contained in a typical Little Debbie snack cake product, you’d think that they would be universally condemned by virtually anyone promoting healthy nutrition, right? Well, you’d be wrong.

Dr. Mark Haub is an associate professor of human nutrition at Kansas State University in Manhatten, Kansas. Yes, that means he teaches the concept of diet and health to the students attending there. Last month he embarked on what was probably his most ambitious experiment yet–he wanted to see what would happen if all he ate for one month straight was a diet consisting primarily of Little Debbie snack cakes. No joke, he was dead serious about this too! He wanted to make the point to his students that nutrition is all about energy balance and by maintaining a calorie deficit (where you consume less calories than you burn) then you can lose weight.

I suppose it was a novel concept to prove a point, but unfortunately Dr. Haub’s experiment neglects to take into account the hormonal response that consuming high-sugar, high-carbohydrate junk foods like Little Debbie snack cakes can have on some people who are diabetic, insulin resistant, or have an extreme addiction to carbohydrates/sugar. The insulin spike to such a diet for some people is of great concern to me, so I decided to contact him directly with some questions regarding his sugary diet.

Dr. Haub was gracious to answer my questions regarding his “Little Debbie” diet:

1. What do your menus normally look like and what exactly and how often are you consuming the foods during this experiment? What are the specific vegetables and how much are you consuming with your family during mealtimes? What level are you keeping your calories at on a daily basis?

All of these questions are answered in the following YouTube video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=il14X_zKvbA

So, he was drinking coffee, eating some veggies, having a little milk for protein, and the rest of his diet was Little Debbie snack cakes up to 1800 total calories daily. According to his Twitter page, Dr. Haub has lost 19 pounds in six weeks.

2. I understand you’re tracking your weight and cholesterol, but what about blood sugar levels? Are you taking fasting and post-prandial readings?

Yes, blood glucose decreased, too. A colleague requested an oral glucose tolerance test, so that will be done before I hit weight maintenance.

3. What kind of multivitamin are you using and are you supplementing with anything else like Vitamin D or other added nutrients?

I am taking 1-2 multi-vitamin supplements (Centrum/Geritol) each day. The difficulty in tracking nutrients is that the online database I am using does not include most micronutrients in their database. So, the USDA database states that a food contains X grams of magnesium, yet that does not appear in the online database.

4. Are you hungry often on this “Little Debbie” diet? How many meals are you eating in a day? What is your body craving the most? How have you dealt with the cravings?

No, not hungrier than when I was following other dietary behaviors (Atkins and high-fiber/low fat). I have never craved sweets, so the added sweeteners in the foods are not “addicting” as many claim. Not sure what my body is craving, however the foods I crave (not sure why — physical and/or mental) most are hamburgers and sandwiches.

The diet has been very easy for me to follow–I eat by myself frequently, the foods are shelf-stable and easy to carry (no refrigeration), the portions are pre-determined, there is little food preparation involved (open box and remover wrapper) and the foods/supplements are inexpensive (~$8/day with ~60% of costs being coffee and milk/protein) and they are readily available.

5. Are you exercising at all during this experiment?

I try to get 60-120 min/week (walking mostly, cycling, lifting). I wanted the focus to be diet, so I have tried not to do too much with exercise.

6. What made you want to do this experiment? What do you hope this proves? Is weight and health management really only about the calories and nothing else?

Yes, one aspect is to see what happens when foods reported to be linked to obesity and reported to increase LDL and triglycerides and decrease HDL actually do that when consumed as part of an energy deficit diet–are data being taken out of context? Seems similar to saturated fat and low carb/high protein/high fat.

Also, with the push to reverse the “obesity epidemic” as some state, does it matter how we do it? If so, is it the epidemic that is important or the behaviors we engage in? Or, is the path to “health” more important than the outcomes? The questions and criticisms I have received are probably not much different than those raised to yourself, Dr. Volek, etc. Namely, the statements tend to speculate that I am ruining my liver/pancreas, with no evidence to support or refute that.

However, I am not aware of NASH/NAFLD being present as part of an energy deficit diet with concomitant decreases in body fat, blood lipids, and blood glucose. That does not mean my liver is healthy (I just had more blood work done, so I should get a better picture in the next day or so). That criticism seems similar to the notion that low carbohydrate diets are deleterious to the kidneys of healthy individuals.

So, on one hand I am personally addressing the obesity epidemic, yet my fat loss and improvements in cholesterol are occurring through “unhealthy” means. It is also interesting that my current diet is considered unhealthy, yet I was borderline hypercholesterolemic (TC>200, LDL>150, HDL<40, TC:HDL ratio>5.0) when I was eating few snack cakes. Now after eating boxes of Twinkies, Nutty Bars, and Zingers, the only risk factor present is HDL< mg/dl, which has increased (37-->39 mg/dl). Based on the outcomes, eating most of my energy via junk food seems to have improved my health–at least according to heart health equations (AHA/NCEP risk calculators).

You know, in a sense I get what Dr. Haub is saying about how too many people are quick to accept preconceived notions regarding diet and health. The moniker is put out there that “X” is unhealthy, so no matter what you had better not be consuming “X.” You fill in the blank. For people on a low-carb diet, we put “sugar” or “starch” in there while low-fat diet advocates put “meat” or “saturated fat.” But who’s to say what’s right and what’s wrong when we are all individuals with varying nutritional needs? That’s not to say I’m 100% in favor of this “Little Debbie” diet but in the end as Dr. Haub says “does it really matter how we do it?”

This has been a theme I’ve been harping on since I started my blog and I’ll continue to hammer it hard–find a plan that will work for you, follow that plan exactly, and then keep doing it for the rest of your life. If you can find improvements in your lipids and blood sugar control while managing your weight consuming a diet of mostly Little Debbie snack cakes, then more power to ya! But some of us need to watch our carbohydrate intake very closely in order to keep all of those numbers in line and that’s kinda the end-around point that I think Dr. Haub was trying to make with this attention-grabbing experiment.

Although this was merely an n=1 non-scientific observational study, I do think this “Little Debbie” diet served a good purpose inasmuch as it forces people to think about why such a diet could be considered less than ideal even despite seeing improvements in health. It’s similar to what my buddy Tom Naughton did with his FAT HEAD documentary where he ate fast food for every meal for a month and saw similar weight loss and health improvements. While I wouldn’t recommend you go out and try what Dr. Haub did during his temporary diet experiment for yourself, I certainly encourage you to latch on to a plan that will keep your satisfied, healthy, and lean. That’s what healthy high-fat, moderate protein, low-carb living has done for me!

If you’re interested in learning more about Dr. Mark Haub’s “Little Debbie” diet, then be sure to check out the columns about it published in The Kansas State Collegian and The Toronto Star. And you can e-mail Dr. Haub at haub@k-state.edu to ask him further questions about his experiment.

  • Jonathan

    1800C. Leaving room for the milk and protein powder, he couldn’t be eating more than 5 or 6 snack packs per day. That would drive me insane. I could eat that in one setting and be extremely hungry within 2 hours.

    • http://www.livinlavidalowcarb.com Jimmy Moore

      The insulin surge would drive my hunger intently.

  • Peter Silverman

    It makes sense to me that if you severely limit your calories like you do when you mainly eat one kind of food, you lose weight and your blood markers improve. When I was in the Peace Corps I ate breadfut every meal for two years and I got nice and skinny. This is probably a more powerful intervention than choosing to eat certain kinds of foods and avoiding others.
    In the long run, probably choosing more thsn one kind of food is a more lasting plan. Course I haven’t tried Debbie’s snack cakes, maybe I would want to stay on em.

  • http://carbzilla.britehive.com Carbzilla

    Wow. I can’t imagine how you would feel energetic at all eating that way. For me personally, it would be a nightmare. Weight loss or no weight loss.

  • http://michelleslowcarblifestyle.com Michelle from Durham

    Debbie cakes are extremely sweet. I would be so hungry. There is no way I could eat all of that sugar and flour, my body would not feel right.

    But like you said Jimmy, you gotta do what works for you and low-carb works for me.

  • Bubba29

    this is interesting. i would love to see a follow up interview after he is done. i have eaten paleo for almost 4 years. what i like about it is no measuring or counting. i eat till i’m feel and have a tough time keeping weight on. imo, paleo is a life long solution. little debbie, weight watchers, zone, are not. i am not as familiar with any accounting done on atkins so i cannot comment on that.

  • Jennifer

    I think what’s unfortunate about this “diet” (I know it’s not really a diet) is that people who aren’t informed and who have rotten sugar metabolism will read about this and think “hey, it doesn’t matter what I eat as long as I keep calories down”. And they’ll make their sugar problems even worse than they are now.

    I wonder if he’d do a butter, bacon and eggs diet? :)

  • Carolyn

    This is interesting, but the “weight” he lost was probably muscle because of the inadequate amount of protein, don’t you think?

    We are KStaters here and I would love you to chat with him about lowcarbing, Jimmy.. Kansas needs all the help it can get..

    You can do anything for a month and not really affect your health that much, but long term is much more detrimental or
    helpful (lowcarbing).

    Thanks, Jimmy.

    Since KState has a huge agricultural department…lots of beef, chickens, pigs hanging out..He could easily do a LC diet on campus.

    • http://www.livinlavidalowcarb.com Jimmy Moore

      Gonna try to get him on to talk about this experiment and the long-term implications of such.

  • Dominic DiCarlo

    We don’t know what he ate before he embarked on this diet – it sounds like a low fat diet.

    • http://www.livinlavidalowcarb.com Jimmy Moore

      Dominic, I don’t know. But if I can get a podcast interview with him that will certainly be one of my questions.

  • http://www.nextsite.com Torstein Grotnes

    Hi Jimmy (big fan!), I did a small calculation based on the values the good doctor provided:

    He lost 19 pounds in 6 weeks. 1 pound of (body)fat contain 3500 calories according to Google. Multiplied by 19 give 66500 bodyfat calories lost. Divided by 6 weeks/42 days give a burnrate of bodyfat at 1583 cal. pr. day (we assume he didn’t loose musclemass).

    Noting that he consumed 1800 calories a day, that would bring the total calories used pr. day (on average) to 3383 calories (exluding any waterkilos which shouldn’t be an issue on a light diet like this with coffee and milk).

    A serving (2 cookies) contain 107 calories fat of a total of 268 calories, and if he ate 1800 calories a day it would amount to 6,7 servings a day adjusted down to 6 servings a day (due to milk consumption and vegetables). 6 times 107 cal. is 642 cal. of cookie-fat a day.

    So of the total 3383 calories energy expenditure a day, 2225 of those would have come from fat.

    This amounts to ~66% of his nutrition coming from fats.

    Ofcourse this is a rough sketch, given that he ate different cookies, but assuming the fatcontent was similar in all cookies, it seems to me that he was doing just fine on a high fat, low protein, restricted carbohydrate diet?

    Then given the 6 week weightloss was just above 8 kilos in total (and looking slim in the video), imply that his BMI was not obese but somehow overweight, and probably having a wellfunctioning insulin-response that works just fine on a moderate carbohydrate diet.

    That he also according to what he wrote did not have much of a sweet-tooth, implies that his body-metabolism is not of the fatstoring type and that his maximum weightrange before the diet was below any obesidy-epidemic range (within the topic of nutrition, weight and desease-risks).

    I believe it is elaborated by Gary Taubes in his talks/book that % increased risk of desease could be a function of the amount of damage being done to the bodys insulin-production (over time). This could also explain the doctor getting better blood-result values after 6 weeks.

    Kindly,
    Torstein
    Oslo, Norway

    • http://www.livinlavidalowcarb.com Jimmy Moore

      THANKS Torstein. Fascinating numbers you ran there. :)

  • Gretchen

    “No, not hungrier than when I was following other dietary behaviors (Atkins and high-fiber/low fat). I have never craved sweets, so the added sweeteners in the foods are not “addicting” as many claim.”

    This is a good example of generalizing on the basis of your own physiology. It’s analogous to a nonalcoholic saying that they can take one drink and not drink until they’re out of control and therefore alcohol is not addictive.

    Or a thin person saying they eat a lot of junk food and don’t exercise and they’re skinny and therefore that should be true of everyone.

    Different people have different metabolisms, and some people are definitely addicted to sweets.

    • http://www.livinlavidalowcarb.com Jimmy Moore

      His experience certainly doesn’t mimic most of the people I know.

  • MCOZ-09

    I don’t trust this story. I don’t trust this guy. It’s all hype.

    The stated goal is a good one. Getting students to question, to think, to discuss what they read and are told about nutrition is, after all, called getting an education. Mightn’t be very common in the States but it’s the concept behind an education in the rest of the world.

    BUT, no one, not the students nor (once you go to the media), the public can discuss an experiment without full knowledge of all the data. All the data laid out in a scientific manner. All we have is dribs and drabs of information about Haub’s diet. What is it this guy ate? The month is over. It’s long after the first day. Why don’t we know what he ate?

    According to an AOLNews report (Sept 8) Haub’s 30-day ‘experiment’ began “on Aug. 25. He is living on a diet of high-calorie, high-fat foods, such as snack cakes, powdered doughnuts and sticky buns, to show that foods commonly regarded as junk can actually help people lose weight.” Funny that there have been few reports following the so-called experiment.

    Well, I found one published on September 30 by ABC News: Apparently Haub “wanted to open up a debate for his students: as long as basic nutritional needs are met, is it what you eat, or just how much, that counts?. Well that’s asking a bit much. “as long as basic nutritional needs are met”? Do we actually know what foods to eat to meet this criteria AND is his reported diet fulfilling these criteria?

    And the results as per the ABC News:”… he began to feel healthier. He had more energy, stopped snoring, and not only did he lose enough weight to drive down his overall cholesterol and body mass index (BMI), his good HDL cholesterol crept up two points and his blood glucose — despite all that cream filling — dropped 17 percent. HDL increase of 2 points??? So what about his triglycerides? And his LDL?

    Oh yes. The ABC News report had some other information:”It’s either a kid’s dream or a dietician’s nightmare: nutritionist Mark Haub ate Twinkies and Nutter Butters, steak, milk, and a multivitamin for a month and lost 15 pounds.

    What? “All he ate for one month straight was a diet consisting primarily of Little Debbie snack cakes. No joke, he was dead serious about this too! He wanted to make the point to his students that nutrition is all about energy balance and by maintaining a calorie deficit calorie deficit ….. then you can lose weight.”

    BUT he ate STEAK? Well. He was onto something. Good fat, good protein. The snack cakes were just icing on a great low carb diet? No. No. No. This so-called study is nothing but nonsense. A red-herring to stop us from concentrating on real scientific research about diet. It’s a pity that a professor of nutrition is responsible for denigrating what is really a serious problem. Obesity. Syndrome X. Diabetes type 2.

    • http://www.livinlavidalowcarb.com Jimmy Moore

      In the end, this is simply an interesting anecdote and not much else.

  • Myra

    I think this guy & people like him are very dangerous! Kids look at YouTube all the time and something like this would undermine anything their parents & grandparents would be advising them against. I also think that he’s not being completely honest. He could only be eating no more than 2-3 pkgs of LD’s a day and he claims he’s not hungry and doesn’t crave anything!! Unless he’s doing mostly protein shakes, which would be filling but, protein shakes would probably mean he’s consuming more calories than he claims.There is something wrong with his assertions. They don’t add up.

    I also think that if Mr science guy, Torstein, above is correct, there is no way he’s burning 3300+ calories a day since he says he’s only exercising 1-2 hours a week! None of this computes to his 19 lb weight loss. I actually don’t believe most of what he said.

    He claims his blood glucose has decreased!! Then he says “…I have never craved sweets, so the added sweeteners in the foods are not “addicting” as many claim.” So he knows better than what scientific studies have shown. Bully for him. I’d like him to try doing this little “experiment” for a year and see how healthy he is then.

    I’m very disappointed that you seem to intimate that both Haub & the Fat Head guy are proving something useful. I think they are only proving that you can eat almost anything for a month and not die. And if you have a good metabolism you won’t get fat either. What about all the people who don’t have good metabolisms?

    For sure, there are many people who eat very limited diets. There are a lot of third world countries where the populations eat only one or two foods regularly, (things that we wouldn’t consider healthy) and those folks are not fat. Of course, they are mostly starving and dying. Looking at the over-all health of those populations wouldn’t really be a recommendation to eat that way, would it! But they don’t get to be on YouTube or podcasts and make media splashes. They just get to die.

    I guess you’ll be doing a show with him but, sorry to say, I won’t listen to that one. He’ll probably show up on morning talk shows that I won’t watch either, and he’ll influence a lot of innocent people that he somehow ‘knows something’ that the scientists don’t know.

    None of this makes any sense and makes me very sad that such an unscientific study will get so much play in various media and that you will contribute to that. I worry that my grandkids may see this guy and think eating junk food is fine.

    I normally love your take on things and your podcasts, but this was disappointing.
    A concerned grandmother!

    • http://www.livinlavidalowcarb.com Jimmy Moore

      THANKS for sharing your concerns, Myra. Like I said, I don’t at all agree with the idea of a Little Debbie diet…not in the least. But I’d love to discuss with this nutrition professor his philosophy about what constitutes a healthy or successful diet. It would certainly be a conversation worth exploring further.

  • Mark McPherson

    This study tells you nothing, as you have only ONE person as a test subject. The other problem is that his body may simply process carbohydrates efficiently, such that he could eat 50 Ding Dongs a day and never gain weight.

    I also noticed that he is doing this only for a short time. I cannot help to wonder if his body would start going haywire if he continually ate this way. Maybe in the beginning, the body simply can handle high-carb eating, but like any machine, it will eventually break down without being taken care of.

    So, again, this experiment tells absolutely NOTHING.

    • http://www.livinlavidalowcarb.com Jimmy Moore

      I wouldn’t really call this a “study,” but you’re exactly right. He may be a good metabolizer of carbohydrate unlike most of the people who visit my blog.

  • Mark McPherson

    Oh, I also forgot to mention that despite eating the Debbies, I wonder if his CARB intake is less now than before his started this, as 1800 calories/day may be comprised of LESS carbs overall than before he started.

    For example, 4 Little Debbies is about 1100 calories and 150 carbs. For me, utter fat, but that does not mean this amount of carbs is “utter fat” for him… yet.

    Of course, since he’s losing weight, I wonder how many carbs was he eating BEFORE he started this.

    • http://www.livinlavidalowcarb.com Jimmy Moore

      Those are certainly things I’ll be asking him about if he agrees to do an interview.

  • vlado2020

    in my bad days I used to treat myself to swiss rolls and think nothing of it. Couple of months ago , I bought one bag of swiss rolls and I got sick of how sweet it was which I guess is good since my body can’t tolerate that crap anymore. I threw the bag in garbage after eating 4 pieces .

  • Mark Haub

    For those interested in what I am eating please visit Livestrong.com (ID=haub) as I am posting everything I eat there. As for the ‘steak’ comment, as an avid college football fan, I allow 1,000 kcals for tailgating on Saturdays; and since week 4, I am know eating what my family eats for dinner. Thus, I am consistently eating snack cakes and pre-sweetened cereal, milk/protein drinks for breakfast, snacks, and lunch.

    Regarding Livestrong.com, please realize their specific food options are somewhat limited so there may be a few items I have substituted (e.g., I take a Geritol on occassion, but it is not listed so I list the Centrum I sometimes use instead).

    You may also see the data, if interested, on my facebook page (Prof Haub’s Diet Experiments). It was great ‘talking’ with Mr. Moore. As for the scientific rigor, it’s fairly straightforward given I have an 8 week continuous 24 hour diet record – very few “real” trials offer that detail.

    The next spin will be interesting, especially to this crowd, as I will be adding a certain food group back into my lifestyle during the initial stage of weight maintenance. At least that is the plan — eating snack cakes and drinking milk is a simple, inexpensive, and convenient way to eat. It may not be everyone’s cup of whole milk, but neither is the low fat lifestyle.

    It’s great that Mr. Moore has such great support. With his and the support of others (unfortunately only a few within health sciences) the low carbohydrate lifestyle is more accepted now. Best wishes for continued health and happiness.

    Lastly, I want to extend a personal/public thank you to Mr. Moore. Well done. It’s always nice to read articles/stories where the writer, while maybe holding a different view, understands and accepts others’ perspectives.

    • http://www.livinlavidalowcarb.com Jimmy Moore

      THANKS Dr. Haub! I look forward to our conversation on my podcast.

  • http://www.undergroundnutritionist.com Barry Cripps

    I think that it’s important to remember that most of the negative metabolic effects that result by eating a high-carbohydrate diet, are only generally experienced or evident at maintenance calories, or in a calorie surplus. Is it any surprise that Dr. Haub lost weight while in a calorie deficit? Any insulin-sensitive, non-obese subject should be able to do that, regardless of what they eat, because their hormones are not already fighting a losing battle.

    The recent studies that compared low-carb to low-fat showed that weight was lost at almost equal velocity, and equal amounts….give or take a little. The reason for this is that when your body is operating in a calorie deficit, you are not eating enough energy in the form of food to supply the body with the energy it requires. Therefore, instead of ever having the possibility of being stored, any sugar that is eaten, is used for energy. At maintenance, or in a calorie surplus Triglycerides also have the ability to build to dangerous levels in the blood….or be stored in Adipose tissue….but during a calorie deficit, the triglycerides are utilized for energy also.

    I think we would see the true outcome of eating nothing but Little Debbie Snack cakes after the goal weight was attained, and the subject went back to maintenance calories. At this level, the body wouldn’t necessarily hungrily utilize every calorie that is ingested, and all of the risk associated with eating so much sugar would begin to take hold. Allowing Sugar and Triglycerides to accumulate, in the blood or fat cells because of calorie surplus is where the trouble begins.

  • Michael

    He should instead try the Alfred Pennington diet Gary Taubes mentioned in his latest interview on the LLVLC Show.

    Can you get fat by eating a carnivorous diet? Does your body accumulates the extra calories it doesn’t need by storing them in fat?

    Try to overeat (natural) meat and see how your body reacts.

    That would be a better experiment because we’re constantly told that obesity is simply eating too much calories. It’s sort of a logical conclusion – not an empirical one – based on the fact that losing weight can be done by restricting calories. But that doesn’t necessarily mean a caloric surplus was the cause of obesity to begin with.

    instead of trying to make people lose weight obesity researchers should get genetically similar volunteers (twins for example) and try to make them fat by using various diets. zero carb, low carb, low carb paleo, high carb, high carb paleo, zero fat, low fat, low fat paleo, high fat, high fat paleo, low protein, high protein, etc.

    That study should have been done years ago.

  • Angelyne

    I wonder how long it’s going to be before the makers of Little Debbie Snack cakes start publicizing their Little Debbie Diet! Loose weight on 5 delicious snack cakes a day!

    • http://www.livinlavidalowcarb.com Jimmy Moore

      You’re kidding, but I could see that happening.

  • ralston mctodd

    The one question I most want ask Prof. Haub: for how long prior to the start of the experiment was he at or near his highest weight? Does anyone here know?

    • http://www.livinlavidalowcarb.com Jimmy Moore

      Don’t know but that’s something I can ask him when I interview him for my podcast.

  • Mel

    Guys, it’s a scientific fact – calories in vs. calories out is the ONLY way that weight loss happens. And for the person who commented that he couldn’t possibly be burning 3300 calories a day with his level of exercise – remember that each of us burns a large number of calories a day (varying based on weight, health, etc) just to live, nevermind all the usual daily activities that aren’t strictly “exercise”.

    Now, the fact that calorie consumption is the key element doesn’t mean that there aren’t other metabolic and health considerations that can affect certain individuals. So for some people, yes, eating small amounts of carbs might be important, because of insulin levels, thyroid problems, etc. For others, avoiding things like snack cakes (for example), or maybe meat, or cheese, or whatever might be important because they love those foods so much they just can’t stop themselves from overeating. These are things that can affect your “calories out” side of the equation (maybe your body goes sluggish and your metabolism drops after eating food x, for example), or the “calories in” side (you eat too much of that delectable ribeye steak, maybe). But at the end of the day, what Dr. Haub has demonstrated isn’t anything new, or revolutionary, or dangerous – he’s just shown what health experts and the like have all known for a long time in a showy way (I don’t mean that offensively – I think it was a fun way to do it) – that calories in vs. calories out is the KEY element to weight loss (and gain, for that matter).

  • Michael

    @ Mel

    you should watch Tom Naughton’s Big Fat Fiasco speech at fathead-movie.com, in part 4 he mentions some studies that tried to make people lose or gain weight using the standard caloric theory and it’s not as clear as you think it is. Recently Dr James Levine overfed prisoners and the participants didn’t gained the amount of weight the theory predicted. 40 years ago in the 60s Dr Ethan Sims did a similar experiment with prisoners, overfeeding them to see how they would gain weight and they didn’t get instantly fat despite eating a ‘Spurlockian’ diet of 5000+ calories a day and there were individual differences in weight gain despite eating the same amout of calories. (If Naughton’s references aren’t enough then read Gary Taubes’ book Good Calories Bad Calories)

    Calories-In VS Calories-Out does not accurately explain weight GAIN, there are other factors at work here.

    of course you can LOSE weight by restricting the amount of food/calories you eat but that does not necessarily means the reverse is what makes you gain weight/fat in the first place

  • http://nutritionscienceanalyst.blogspot.com/ David Brown

    There are two factors involved in caloric expenditure that rarely get discussed. One is the adequacy and balance of nutrients required for energy release, body building, and tissue repair. The other is the microbial configuration in the gut and it’s impact on heat regulation and energy absorption.

    When the nutrient configuration of food is out of balance, chemical reactions required for making hormones and other biochemicals are curtailed because chemical reactions cannot proceed to completion due to the shortage of one or more reactants. For example, in the animal world it has been observed that cows eat less forage if pasture plants have a high brix value. In humans, it’s commonly reported that food cravings that drive overeating subside on a high-fat/low-carb regimen. Dr. Haub’s diet was relatively high in fat and featured micro nutrient and protein supplements.

    The other matter, gut microbial activity, affects both energy apportionment and nutrient availability. It’s estimated that the digestive tract hosts about 2 kilograms of microbes that feed on fat, fiber, and sugar. The little critters need minerals and amino acids to multiply efficiently. It’s also estimated that feces consists of about 50 percent dead gut microbes. During fasting that percentage drops dramatically for obvious reasons. Heat generated by gut microbes contributes to temperature regulation. I calculate daily caloric expenditure of gut microbes to lie between 200 and 300 calories for average weight individuals.

    Now, I don’t pretend to know anything about biochemical pathways. But to me it makes logical sense to explain discrepancies in energy intake and estimated energy expenditure in terms of nutrient adequacy and gut microbial activity.

  • Leadfw

    I’m very impressed with your even-handed analysis of Dr. Haub’s work, even though this diet (from what I can see) is absolutely NOT one you would endorse.  Too often people get stuck thinking that everyone has to achieve weight loss and/or health in only one way — when obviously there are people achieving these goals in many different ways.  Good for you!

    • Anonymous

      THANK YOU! I try to be open-minded so I can learn from other people’s experiences about how to best do things for myself. I wish more people had this philosophy.