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Ask The Low-Carb Experts (Episode 12): ‘The Fallacy Of Vegan/Vegetarian Diets’ | Denise Minger


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In Episode 12 of “Jimmy Moore Presents: Ask The Low-Carb Experts,” we are pleased to welcome one of the rising stars in the Paleo/low-carb health blogosphere and a good friend of mine named Denise Minger! Little did she know when she created her “Raw Food SOS” blog that it would gain such a strong following thanks to a series of posts critically examining the claims made in the infamous T. Colin Campbell book The China Study touted by vegans and vegetarians as irrefutable evidence that a plant-based diet is optimal for human health. As a former vegan herself, Denise has a lot of compassion for the struggles they go through attempting to reconcile their personal convictions about not eating meat and the reality of what that way of eating is doing to their health. She’s shared her story with me previously on “The Livin’ La Vida Low-Carb Show” podcast in Episode 405 and Episode 430.

Now her highly-anticipated debut book release entitled Death by Food Pyramid is set to release in late 2012 where she will give a full history of how we got stuck with the nutritional guidelines that plague us to this day. Listen in towards the end of today’s show for more about the new book from Denise herself. Because she knows all the arguments that vegans and vegetarians make for eating the way they do, there’s no one better qualified to address the fallacy of vegan/vegetarian diets. Denise is abundantly aware of the flaws in logic that people who adhere to plant-based diets tend to succumb to. That’s why she wanted to be on the show to help address the fallacy of the vegan/vegetarian way of eating and what might be a better option for them to improve their health. Incidentally, if you like what you hear today, then you will be pleased to hear that Denise will also be sharing more about this topic in her lecture on the upcoming 5th Annual Low-Carb Cruise coming next month. We appreciated having the expertise of Denise Minger joining us on ATLCX answering listener questions about vegan/vegetarian diets in EPISODE 12 on April 5, 2012.

Listen to Denise Minger address the topic “The Fallacy Of Vegan/Vegetarian Diets”:

  • She has nothing against people who choose to be vegan/vegetarian
  • What vegans should do to be as healthy as possible
  • Raw vegans can tend to be “severely anemic”
  • Combine iron-rich foods with Vitamin C-rich foods
  • What the top three vegan myths are and how to respond
  • It’s difficult to “fight” a vegan “stuck on their beliefs”
  • A Closer Look at the China Study: Meat and Disease
  • “Forks Over Knives”: Is the Science Legit?
  • Plant agriculture is as damaging to the environment
  • The best way to appeal to a vegan (science primarily?)
  • Why she would never tell a vegan not to eat that way
  • It’s not worth fighting with a vegan who won’t change
  • What to do about the “heavy metals” that are in fish
  • Smaller fish tend to have a lot less heavy metals
  • Eating veggies in order to feed the world is “flawed”
  • Being harmful to the environment can’t be put on diets
  • The protein issue is “the oldest one in the book”
  • Most vegan foods are low in the amino acid lysine
  • Protein isn’t “the main issue with vegans” at all
  • Raw vegans tend to have more of a problem with protein
  • Durianrider is successful as vegan from high-volume intake
  • Vegan diets lack bioavailable protein like meat and eggs
  • The protein issue has been “beaten like a dead horse”
  • B-12 supplementation should “be a given” for vegans
  • Even The China Study recommends adding B12 for vegans
  • The notion that vegetarians are usually “fairly skinny”
  • Why people tend to lose weight eating vegan/vegetarian
  • Whether vegetarian protein sources are better than meat
  • The vegan propaganda about meat has jaded thinking
  • Reputation of soy is becoming “tainted” with vegans
  • Most people don’t realize a cantaloupe has 12g protein
  • Coconut oil is “great stuff” as a fat source for vegans
  • Avoid the high omega-6 vegetable oils (no PUFAs)
  • It’s common for you to “feel amazing” eating vegan
  • But being vegan is not “sustainable over the long term”
  • You realize you’re not getting the nutrients you need
  • Consuming more raw and fermented foods for “balance”
  • “Find what works for you” and do n=1 experiments
  • The lack of pro-meat studies that have been conducted
  • Omnivores don’t tend to care about what they’re eating
  • Most of the Paleo studies are “so small in scope”
  • Designing a grass-fed meat study would be difficult
  • Getting a study like this funded is next to impossible
  • How to talk to a teenaged girl about avoiding veganism
  • Young females tend to be lured to veganism
  • Show them the “end point” of what veganism can do
  • You may have to “live through it” and learn for yourself
  • Check out Rhys Southan’s “Let Them Eat Meat” blog
  • Read Lierre Keith‘s The Vegetarian Myth book
  • Why vegans and Paleo people both tend to get healthier
  • Look for where the two diets “overlap” in similarity
  • Too much focus on the meat in the discussion
  • Eliminate vegetable oils and eat whole foods on both
  • The benefits are from avoiding the garbage foods
  • Denise Minger’s 2011 Ancestral Health Symposium lecture
  • The concern about hormone ingestion from animals
  • Our bodies can handle any hormones from the animals
  • Vegans are like Paleo putting the focus on food quality
  • There are low-fat vegan studies showing health improvements
  • Low-GI vegan diets are different than a high-carb diet
  • Whether vegans are rigid in their diet or just lack fat
  • Vegans tend to “search for meaning in life” with food
  • Learn more about the work of caller Taylor Snipes
  • Her desire to meet vegan Durianrider this summer
  • There’s been no point in history with no plant food
  • Refrain from assigning health issues to a specific diet
  • The kind of animal foods you consume really matters
  • Why she’s only consuming meat about three times a week
  • Many vegans tend to lose water weight not hold on to it
  • Eating processed soy products with sodium retains water
  • Perhaps water retention is from trouble digesting plants
  • No studies showing where meat makes cancer grow faster
  • Observational studies not reliable for meat/cancer connection
  • The media tends to distort the actual body of research
  • Denise will be on the 2012 Low-Carb Cruise
  • Sneak peek details about her book Death By Food Pyramid
  • Looking at the shift from infectious to chronic diseases
  • What will make her book a lot more comprehensive than others
  • Tackling the “landmark studies” that experts reference
  • Her hopes that this will give “critical thinking” ammo

    We discussed this at the beginning of today’s episode but if you haven’t seen Denise’s new “For Vegans” page on her blog where she outlines some simple ways for strict vegans to optimize their ability to be healthy (which was discussed at the beginning of this episode), then be sure to check this out:

    There are four ways you can listen to Episode 12:

    1. LISTEN LIVE ON THURSDAY NIGHTS AT 7PM ET by calling (712) 432-0900 or on Skype at “freeconferencing.7124320900”–whether you call or Skype, be sure to use the access code “848908.” You can listen and even participate on the topic discussion by asking your questions directly to the featured expert.

    2. Listen at the iTunes page for the podcast:

    3. Listen and comment about the show at the official web site for the podcast:

    4. Download the MP3 file of Episode 12 [74:28m]:

    If you cannot join us LIVE on the podcast on Thursday nights at 7PM ET, then you can still ask your questions of the expert guests in two ways. First, you can visit AskTheLowCarbExperts.com and fill out the form along the right-hand side of the page under “Submit Your Question” to input your name, e-mail address, the name of the expert you want to ask, and your question for them. These questions will be asked LIVE on the show airing on Thursdays. Or, for your convenience we have set up a way for you to e-mail us your questions directly to AskTheLowCarbExperts@gmail.com. Be sure to include your name, the name of the expert you want to ask your question to in the subject line, and your question on the specific topic of discussion. This is a golden opportunity for you to tap directly into the wealth of knowledge and experience on all things related to healthy low-carb living featuring the best and brightest experts in the realm of health!

    Did you have any feedback about what Denise Minger shared about “The Fallacy Of Vegan/Vegetarian Diets?” Share your thoughts about it in the show notes section of Episode 12. Be sure to check out Denise’s “Raw Food SOS” blog and look for the release of her book Death By Food Pyramid coming later this year. Come back and join us for EPISODE 13 on Thursday, April 12, 2012 at 7PM ET featuring fitness and nutrition expert Dr. Cassandra Forsythe addressing the topic of “Low-Carbing Women & Weight Lifting.” Cassandra has a PhD in Exercise Science and Nutrition from the University of Connecticut (under the tutelage of former podcast guest Dr. Jeff Volek) and is a Registered Dietitian (RD). She’s also a Certified Strength and Conditioning Specialist (CSCS) and a Certified Sports Nutritionist (CISSN). She’s well-known for her expertise in low-carbohydrate diets, nutrition for fat loss, and all aspects of female health. And that’s why she’ll be here addressing your questions on this topic. She was a guest in Episode 154 of “The Livin’ La Vida Low-Carb Show” a few years back, so take a listen to check out her work. Feel free to go ahead and start submitting your questions for Cassandra about women who eat low-carb and want to add strength training to their routine by using the “Submit Your Question” form (on the right-hand side of the web site) or e-mail your name, the name of the expert you want to ask your question to in the subject line, and your question on the specific topic of discussion to AskTheLowCarbExperts@gmail.com (please keep your questions limited to the specific topic for this episode). If you have any burning questions related to low-carbing and weight lifting for women, then be sure to tune in LIVE on Thursday, April 12, 2012 at 7PM ET to ask your question directly to Dr. Cassandra Forsythe.

    Here are the upcoming experts and topics we’ll be covering on #ATLCX:

    EPISODE 14: April 19, 2012 | Dr. Larry McCleary | “Dietary Remedies For ADHD”
    EPISODE 15: April 26, 2012 | Dr. Eric Westman | “Exploding The Low-Carb Myths”
    5-3 to 6-20: NO PODCASTS
    EPISODE 16: June 7, 2012 | Maria Emmerich and Valerie Berkowitz | “Low-Carb, Pregnancy & Kids”
    EPISODE 17: June 14, 2012 | Sarah Fragoso and Jason Seib | “All Things Exercise (Exercise 101)”
    EPISODE 18: June 21, 2012 | David Getoff | “The Truth About Sweeteners”
    EPISODE 19: June 28, 2012 | Julia Ross | “How To Beat Carbohydrate Addiction”
    6-29 to 7-18: NO PODCASTS
    EPISODE 20: July 19, 2012 | Dr. Jonny Bowden | “All Things Vitamins (Supplements 101)”
    EPISODE 21: July 26, 2012 | Nora Gedgaudas | “Are Starches Really Safe?”
    7-27 to 8-15: NO PODCASTS
    EPISODE 22: August 16, 2012 | Dr. Kaayla Daniel | “The Truth About Soy”
    EPISODE 23: August 23, 2012 | Dr. Stephen Phinney | “TOPIC TBA”
    EPISODE 24: August 30, 2012 | Dr. Donald Layman | “All Things Protein (Protein 101)”
    EPISODE 25: September 6, 2012 | Fred Hahn | “All Things Slow Lifting (Slow Burn 101)”

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    • Kelly Mahoney

      It appears that my comment from a few weeks ago was deleted.

      • LLVLCBlog

        Don’t know what comment that would be. Feel free to post again.

        • Kelly Mahoney

          When I posted, there were a few other comments. Maybe there’s a clich in the system.

          Anyway, I wondered if Denise eats a low carb diet. She made comments about not knowing of a study that showed eating meat is superior for health compared to vegetarian diets, and she made another comment about Esselstyn type studies (plant based) improve health. These comments make me wonder what her diet is like in comparison to a typical Atkins low carb diet, like does she follow a daily carb limit ala 50 g ketogenic or ala 150 g Primal Blueprint? If she doesn’t follow a low carb diet (my suspicion), then why is she on a show called “Ask the Low Carb Experts”? I had the same thought about Mat Lalonde. He made comments about not focusing on any one macronutrient. He didn’t come across as a “low carb” expert.

          • LLVLCBlog

            Kelly, I remember your question, so maybe you posted it at the ATLCX site…anywho. My answer was that Denise is NOT a low-carber because quit frankly she doesn’t have to be. She does eat more carbs than you or I would, but she also recognizes the value of low-carb nutrition for people with metabolic concerns. The same goes for Mat Lalonde. Denise is an expert on vegan diets and why they’re probably not healthy and Mat has thoroughly studied calories inside and out. That’s why they were on my show. THANKS for listening!